[DISCUSSION] The Israel/Palestine Situation

Dblock wrote:For anyone still doubting Israelis purposely target civilians than you must watch this video.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=702355813151411

Yet you couldn't give a flying strawberry float about ISIS?

[iup=3529848]TigaSefi[/iup] wrote:

Dblock wrote:For anyone still doubting Israelis purposely target civilians than you must watch this video.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=702355813151411

Yet you couldn't give a flying strawberry float about ISIS?

I hate ISIS and I hope they get wiped out. Where the strawberry float did I say I care about that terrible bunch of people?

Way to jump the gun ass face.

Just don't see you putting in the same effort as you do against the Israelis petty insult too. Don't seem to care about the Yazidis being wiped off the face of the planet.

[iup=3529866]TigaSefi[/iup] wrote:Just don't see you putting in the same effort as you do against the Israelis petty insult too. Don't seem to care about the Yazidis being wiped off the face of the planet.

I'm not sure that Dblock is actually in a position to help the Yazidis.

[iup=3529866]TigaSefi[/iup] wrote:Just don't see you putting in the same effort as you do against the Israelis petty insult too. Don't seem to care about the Yazidis being wiped off the face of the planet.

What the strawberry float is a Yazidis ?

If gooseberry fool sounds weird I usually don't care. We gonna fight till the end.

Rockets have hit the Kerem Shalom crossing which has resulted in the closure of the crossing meaning that aid to Gaza will pretty much be cut off as it was the main source of food shipping and humanitarian aid. Early reports of the incident which are all from Israeli media so far seem to think that it might have been a deliberate act from Hamas to get more media attention as people hear that no aid will be getting to Gaza.

Don't really know what to think about this one as there is only one shitty video showing 3 Mortars hitting but Israel claim it was bombarded with rockets.

Would be pretty stupid from Hamas to try this but I'm not ruling it out. However, on the other hand the Israeli's wasted no strawberry floating time shutting off the aid anyway.

I finally get it, Dblock is a Mossad agent sent to GRcade to make us all laugh at the Free Palestine campaign.

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I've just signed this petition to try and get George Galloway arrested for inciting racial intolerance in his recent anti-Israel rant during a public speech in Bradford.

To bring about a prosecution against George Galloway MP under S.5(1) of the Public Order Act 1986

https://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/ ... r-act-1986

Just under 200 signatures needed to get the CPS's attention!

It say "4,881 supporters" for me.

[iup=3530305]Memento Mori[/iup] wrote:It say "4,881 supporters" for me.

my bad, javascript blocker stopped the bar filling up.

Cal: "police state, police state, no free speech, 1984, orwellian, couldn't make it up"

Cal: "arrest this man"

So does 200 signatures mean that the cps must look at the allegation? I had not heard about this before only that 100,000 signatures means that an issue must be raised in the commons.

[iup=3530331]Return_of_the_STAR[/iup] wrote:So does 200 signatures mean that the cps must look at the allegation? I had not heard about this before only that 100,000 signatures means that an issue must be raised in the commons.

I'm not sure how many signatures are needed, tbh. The petition has now reached 5000, and it says just below that '2,348 NEEDED'. It's a bit vague. Yes, a petition needs 100,000 signatures to get before the House of Commons. I think is different, though - it's a petition to get the CPS to prosecute Galloway.

I signed the petition to give George Galloway a knighthood

Galloway is a fool.

IMO, urging a boycott of goods and services would have been a legitimate (if slightly irrelevant) call, but he went far, far too far, in talking about preventing people from coming to Bradford. What's he thinking? What a banana split that man is.

A vile excuse of a human being....

[iup=3530297]Cal[/iup] wrote:I've just signed this petition to try and get George Galloway arrested for inciting racial intolerance in his recent anti-Israel rant during a public speech in Bradford.

To bring about a prosecution against George Galloway MP under S.5(1) of the Public Order Act 1986

https://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/ ... r-act-1986

Just under 200 signatures needed to get the CPS's attention!

Signed, thanks for posting.

It says it needs 7500 signatures atm

[iup=3530578]Snowcannon[/iup] wrote:

[iup=3530297]Cal[/iup] wrote:I've just signed this petition to try and get George Galloway arrested for inciting racial intolerance in his recent anti-Israel rant during a public speech in Bradford.

To bring about a prosecution against George Galloway MP under S.5(1) of the Public Order Act 1986

https://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/ ... r-act-1986

Just under 200 signatures needed to get the CPS's attention!

Signed, thanks for posting.

It says it needs 7500 signatures atm

I am not sure there is a "limit". Change.org is not a UK government or public body website.

http://www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Change.org

So, just to come back to a point I've made repeatedly, but which never seems to get adequately answered:

Hamas manipulated and intimidated the media in Gaza. Why was that kept from us?

Israeli filmmaker Michael Grynszpan described on Facebook an exchange he had had with a Spanish journalist who had just left Gaza. "We talked about the situation there. He was very friendly. I asked him how come we never see on television channels reporting from Gaza any Hamas people, no gunmen, no rocket launcher, no policemen. We only see civilians on these reports, mostly women and children. He answered me frankly: 'It's very simple, we did see Hamas people there launching rockets, they were close to our hotel, but if ever we dare pointing our camera on them they would simply shoot at us and kill us.'"

The Foreign Press Association (FPA) issued an astonishing protest yesterday about "blatant, incessant, forceful and unorthodox" intimidation of journalists in the Gaza Strip by Hamas. "In several cases," they complained, "foreign reporters working in Gaza have been harassed, threatened or questioned over stories." The FPA said this amounted to "denying readers and viewers an objective picture from the ground," adding "we are also aware that Hamas is trying to put in place a 'vetting' procedure that would, in effect, allow for the blacklisting of specific journalists. Such a procedure is vehemently opposed by the FPA." The statement raises a lot of questions. Here is one: why have British broadcasters not mentioned any of this to their viewers?

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/alanj ... t-from-us/

I don't recall any of the BBC correspondents in particular making it clear to viewers that they were being corralled by Hamas in Gaza, being sheperded, watched, even intimidated - and yet this seems to be an emerging truth of the situation for all outside news correspondents in the conflict operating out of Gaza. It seems foreign correspondents were only tolerated in the place if they agreed to tow the line, to not point their cameras at any 'militants' (that's 'terrorists' to you and me) and to not ask too many awkward questions of their well-armed hosts. This presumably explains why we never did get any TV pictures of 'militants' lobbing rockets over into Israel (from the BBC news crews, at least), why almost every news story coming out Gaza seemed to take place in carefully orchestrated, if chaotic, hospital emergency rooms with plenty of injured kids and distraught parents on call for the cameras.

Hamas manipulation of the media is not always so crude. As reported in Times of Israel on 11 July, the Hamas Ministry of Interior in Gaza published a video in Arabic advising on "cautious and effective" social media engagement on Facebook and Twitter during Operation Protective Edge. It contained such directives as "Anyone killed or martyred is to be called a civilian from Gaza or Palestine, before we talk about his status in jihad or his military rank … Don't forget to always add 'innocent civilian' or 'innocent citizen' in your description of those killed in Israeli attacks on Gaza."

The long Hamas record of shutting down news bureaus, arresting reporters and cameramen, confiscating equipment and beating journalists has already been documented by the Committee to Protect Journalists. In the latest conflict Hamas wanted to reduce the reports coming out of Gaza to what Reinhold Niebuhr once called "emotionally potent over-simplifications". Journalists from India, America, Norway, Italy, Spain, Australia, Canada and elsewhere are complaining. Will we now hear from the Brits?

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/alanj ... t-from-us/

More importantly, when will the likes of Jeremy 'Al' Bowen fess up and admit he was quite willing to play Hamas's game night after night, filing emotive, one-sided pro-Palestinian news stories for the BBC? When will he admit he was being played for a fool by Hamas in Gaza, a useful idiot for the cause?

We should normally say if our reports are censored or monitored or if we withhold information, and explain, wherever possible, the rules under which we are operating.
– Section 11.4.1 of the BBC Editorial Guidelines on accuracy and impartiality in times of War, Terror and Emergencies

Cal, you might have an interesting point of view there, except as usual it is dressed up in the usual anti-BBC rhetoric that we all now find so hard to take seriously. For instance, you say:

I don't recall any of the BBC correspondents in particular making it clear to viewers that they were being corralled by Hamas in Gaza, being sheperded, watched, even intimidated - and yet this seems to be an emerging truth of the situation for all outside news correspondents in the conflict operating out of Gaza.

Why single out the BBC, if it is the same for every news organisation? Do any of the other news organisation make it clearer that Hamas are watching/shepherding them?

Why do we not see Hamas fighters/rocket launches? I assume it is because Hamas does not give any access to areas where such things can be seen. While Gaza is pretty small, it must be reasonably easy for Hamas to stop journalists entering certain areas. It makes complete sense from a Hamas point of view. If Hamas show rockets being fired from a certain area or show fighters congregating in a certain area, how long will it be until Israel launches an attack on those areas?

To flip the question around, how much of Israel’s military have we seen on TV? I don’t remember seeing footage of Israeli launch sights or in depth coverage from Israeli military bases. Maybe there has been and I have missed it?