Jury Duty

PostRe: Jury Duty by **Jenuall** » Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:05 pm

Preezy wrote:I want to do it as I fully expect it to be exactly like 12 Angry Men, and it'd be down to me to save that poor slum kid and get the other 11 jurors to come round to my way of thinking.

GRcade's 12th favourite movie was 12 Angry Men.

Something quite nice about that! :toot:

PostRe: Jury Duty by **Moggy** » Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:05 pm

I’ve never done it but have always wanted to. I know the reality would be either boring as gooseberry fool or horrifically disturbing though.

PostRe: Jury Duty by **Mafro** » Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:15 pm

Mine was nothing like TV. All the court staff were really chill, particularly the judge who was the nicest guy ever :lol:

(he took time to explain to us what everyone's role was and stuff like that) Nothing like TV where everyone is portrayed as miserable, stern banana splits.

PostRe: Jury Duty by **Tomous** » Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:55 pm

I got called once when I was 18/19 and I was in the middle of University exams which they decided was a suitable enough excuse.

Haven’t been called up again. Would quite like a few weeks off work on a jury but in reality it’s probavly quite boring.

PostRe: Jury Duty by **Dowbocop** » Thu Jun 27, 2019 6:00 pm

My dad's done it, he quite liked it, think his guy got off. My friend did it as well, he just played Football Manager until he was called into a case with a proper nasty crackhead who was up for setting someone on fire if I recall!

Don't particularly want to do it if I'm honest.

PostRe: Jury Duty by **Meep** » Thu Jun 27, 2019 7:03 pm

Did it last year. Never got summoned. :toot:

Does this mean I don't have to do it again or is it completely random?

PostRe: Jury Duty by **Dual** » Thu Jun 27, 2019 7:08 pm

Would love to be asked. Can confirm I would accept a bribe in any shape or form.

PostRe: Jury Duty by **Peter Crisp** » Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:03 pm

I was rather upset that the lawyers never got up and shouted "OBJECTION!!!!!" while pointing dramatically.

Why bother becoming a lawyer if you don't get to do that every few minutes

.

PostRe: Jury Duty by **That** » Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:35 pm

Man, I just don't think I could convict someone. Maybe if it was the most extreme possible crime---like a serial rapist or something---but outside of that I can't imagine any circumstances where I'd endorse state violence against that person. "Less extreme" crimes, like some guy caught selling drugs? Or trying to get some extra benefits? Or not paying parking fines? Nah. Those laws are illegitimate anyway. So it'd be a bit of a conundrum what to do if I were called up.

PostRe: Jury Duty by **Return_of_the_STAR** » Fri Jun 28, 2019 12:05 am

I've never been called and I don't know anyone, family, friend or colleague who has either. Odd.

Hope I haven't jinxed myself now.

PostRe: Jury Duty by **massimo** » Fri Jun 28, 2019 6:34 am

I did it a couple of years ago. I was required to stay for two weeks where they would try and squeeze in as many court cases as possible. Got called into three, two of which were stopped before we had to decide a verdict. The third we spent 2/3 days discussing the case and trying to reach a verdict. It was a sexual abuse case.
It was throughly frustrating and I would hate to have been on trial with the jurors in my group.
They made assumptions based on his ethnicity, assumptions based on the amount of children he had, assumptions because he had a new girlfriend.
I could see the discussions would be chaotic so I came in and insisted we had a structure. They then decided I should be the foreman or whatever it’s called so I reluctantly agreed. Trying to keep the discussion productive was painful. Three of the jurors were stubborn and refused to open up to discussion. One was a lazy old guy who kept ‘resting his eyes’ telling us it’s how he best thinks. Funny how he used to make this suspicious snoring sound as well. Another was a young lad who just could not understand any reasoning whatsoever. And another was a woman who made assumptions based on him having more than a couple of children.
The three ended up delaying a verdict because they simply refused to properly discuss and reason anything. We spent days trying to convince them, and on the Monday of my now third week I took the opportunity to let them convince us instead, thinking if we let them reason it they might convince themselves out of their verdict.
What utter nonsense. Utter utter garbage and stupidity.
I feel sorry for the alleged victim and the defendant because if I were in their shoes I would not want these idiots deciding my strawberry floating future, especially if I could potentially be sent to jail for raping a young girl.
In the end we couldn’t reach a verdict and they would have to have another trial, putting all those people through that ordeal again.
Not only was it a pain in the arse but I ended up weeks behind on work in a new job during a busy summer period.
I hope I never get called again and I hope no one gets racist idiots like them on their jury if they’re accused of anything serious.

PostRe: Jury Duty by **Victor Mildew** » Fri Jun 28, 2019 6:57 am

No smoke without fire!

I don't think I could do jury service without just endlessley quoting that peep show episode.

She looks shifty! Wouldn't look out of place with a can of lager and a cheap fag in her mouth. But we're going to acquit.

You're going to acquit?

She's white.

PostRe: Jury Duty by **Moggy** » Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:43 am

Karl_ wrote:Man, I just don't think I could convict someone. Maybe if it was the most extreme possible crime---like a serial rapist or something---but outside of that I can't imagine any circumstances where I'd endorse state violence against that person. "Less extreme" crimes, like some guy caught selling drugs? Or trying to get some extra benefits? Or not paying parking fines? Nah. Those laws are illegitimate anyway. So it'd be a bit of a conundrum what to do if I were called up.

Karl in every other thread: "I am a revolutionary that wants to utterly destroy the oppressors and stomp them into the ground! Line the bastards up against the wall and I will strawberry floating shoot them myself"

Karl in the courtroom hearing the accused only raped one person: "Awww, give him another chance"

PostRe: Jury Duty by **Jenuall** » Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:13 am

Karl_ wrote:Man, I just don't think I could convict someone. Maybe if it was the most extreme possible crime---like a serial rapist or something---but outside of that I can't imagine any circumstances where I'd endorse state violence against that person. "Less extreme" crimes, like some guy caught selling drugs? Or trying to get some extra benefits? Or not paying parking fines? Nah. Those laws are illegitimate anyway. So it'd be a bit of a conundrum what to do if I were called up.

Out of interest what do you think is an appropriate response for those crimes you reference? (the legitimacy of their status of crimes is probably another topic - as of now they are crimes and adherence to the laws regarding them forms part of the code which members of this particular state agree to live by!)

And if it isn't the state acting on the verdict from a jury of peers that decides whether or not a form of punishment is required then what mechanism should be used?

PostRe: Jury Duty by **Drumstick** » Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:34 am

So if there was evidence of a serious crime, that was absolutely concrete with no wiggle room whatsoever for the defendant, you'd deny the victim justice?

PostRe: Jury Duty by **Moggy** » Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:41 am

Drumstick wrote:So if there was evidence of a serious crime, that was absolutely concrete with no wiggle room whatsoever for the defendant, you'd deny the victim justice?

I am not sure there is really a victim with the crimes Karl listed. Selling drugs, claiming extra benefits or not paying parking fines?

Only convicting serial rapists and not one off rapists is concerning but I am pretty sure Karl didn't mean that.

PostRe: Jury Duty by **Drumstick** » Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:49 am

Eh? His actual wording was "Man, I just don't think I could convict someone.". Even then it was with the disclaimer that he might be able to only if was the most serious of crimes.

PostRe: Jury Duty by **Moggy** » Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:53 am

Drumstick wrote:Eh? His actual wording was "Man, I just don't think I could convict someone.". Even then it was with the disclaimer that he might be able to only if was the most serious of crimes.

And his follow up sentence was that maybe he could under the most extreme crimes.

His example of petty crimes was drug dealing and non-payment of fines. His example of extreme crimes was a serial rapist.

I guess you could read that as Karl not wanting to convict people of assault, burglary, fraud etc, but I am not sure he was being all that serious.

PostRe: Jury Duty by **OrangeRKN** » Fri Jun 28, 2019 10:13 am

I wouldn't read too much into it, I'm pretty sure Karl_ is a character on the popular online roleplaying game "GRcade" being played by the human Karl

PostRe: Jury Duty by **BID0** » Fri Jun 28, 2019 10:26 am

Last year was my second time, previously doing it 10-11 years before that. It's something like 4 years after your last call up and you're back in the selection process again.

I did about 4 cases on my first call up a decade ago, with only 2 of those cases running to the end and having a verdict (1 case they lost the evidence and someone didn't testify, the other case we got to the deliberation room and it turned out that one of the jury members didn't understand English very well, why she was there, who the people were by name, or what was going on). Last years jury service I was called in to the court room for one case, but we went through the selection process of the 12 jury members 3 times and I somehow managed to not be picked all 3 times thankfully.

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