GTA: The Trilogy - The Definitive Edition (PS/Xbox/Switch/PC).

Convincing arguments boys :lol:

Fade wrote:Convincing arguments boys

I guess it depends on what you play the game for. I personally don't really have much interest in the storylines of GTA games, they're just there to service the gameplay and to me are just a means to an end. That end being a completely unlocked island free of mission markers so I can just enjoy the sandbox.

I find the GTA5 controls completely fine and never struggled with them. The gunplay and driving are responsive and good fun, the game looks great, sounds great and the world is very convincingly realised.

I've played Saints Row and found it quite lightweight and it didn't hold my interest, but each to their own.

Fade wrote:But it absolutely doesn't come together.

Obviously it doesn't for you, and that's fair enough! You were challenging where the fun derives from in the games by pointing out specific mechanics and game feel and my response to that is it's everything in combination where I think it becomes fun, not any one specific mechanic that is done particularly well in isolation. I think the driving in GTAV is perfectly fine fwiw, and the shooting a little clunky but serviceable, but I'm not going to come out to bat for the implementation of any specific mechanic because that's not what I think makes the game good.

Fade wrote:The city and mechanics try to be realistic but the characters, story and world building are drenched in satire and constantly poke fun at themselves.

It's like making a beautifully shot indy drama and then hiring Will Ferrel and Adam Sandler to play the main parts

If they made a GTA game with the tone of Red Dead it could actually be not a piece of garbage. Or heck go the other way and be more cheesy like the original games, as it is they try and straddle this line that just makes the entire game come off as insecure of its identity. As if having 3 protagonists wasn't enough of a clue.

This reads to me as an argument against the story, to which my response is that I don't play GTA for the story and don't particularly rate GTAV's singleplayer! I like GTA as a sandbox, and with GTAV the majority of my playtime is online as a multiplayer sandbox. With earlier games (primarily Vice City) it was a sandbox that I'd play with friends and we'd pass the pad around.

Preezy wrote:I guess it depends on what you play the game for. I personally don't really have much interest in the storylines of GTA games, they're just there to service the gameplay and to me are just a means to an end. That end being a completely unlocked island free of mission markers so I can just enjoy the sandbox.

This basically!

SA is still crash-tastic to the point where it’s not really that playable. It’s getting worse as I go through the story.

@Preezy/@OR Sounds like we're at least in agreement that the actual story, and tone of the world are a bit poo and the controls are not the best

The sandbox just isn't enough to make up for that to me. Especially when all you can do is drive around and shoot things.

Well, sounds like the update has certainly improved things somewhat on the Switch at least, still sounds like there’s plenty of work to be done mind.

Fade wrote:@Preezy/@OR Sounds like we're at least in agreement that the actual story, and tone of the world are a bit poo and the controls are not the best

I disagree on all 3 of those, they're all completely fine in my opinion. The story and tone might not be to your taste, but that doesn't make them bad.

Guys, I have a confession. For 19 years, I totally ignored Emotion FM in Vice City because I didn't like Fernando Martinez as a character. I was wrong to do this, because it has the best playlist in GTA history.

SEP wrote:Guys, I have a confession. For 19 years, I totally ignored Emotion FM in Vice City...

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SEP wrote:...I was wrong to do this, because it has the best playlist in GTA history.

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jawa_ wrote:
SEP wrote:Guys, I have a confession. For 19 years, I totally ignored Emotion FM in Vice City...

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SEP wrote:...I was wrong to do this, because it has the best playlist in GTA history.

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I've learned my lesson.

SEP wrote:Guys, I have a confession. For 19 years, I totally ignored Emotion FM in Vice City because I didn't like Fernando Martinez as a character. I was wrong to do this, because it has the best playlist in GTA history.

He's the best host :capnscotty:

I hope the realisation hit you like like a massive bit or masonry flying from a high building, or something, or a truck driving over your foot, ya know? Powerful, like a dream where you go to work naked. Let's take a break while I recompose myself. Remember too much emotion is always a good thing :datass:

What the strawberry float, MCN?

I read that like a radio host would, and then realised it's more than likely something from the station in question.

Buffalo wrote:What the strawberry float, MCN?

To my mind, Fernando was "just a cheap pimp from upstate" (as per GTA3), and I didn't agree with his backstory being rewritten in such a way.

SEP wrote:
Buffalo wrote:What the strawberry float, MCN?

To my mind, Fernando was "just a cheap pimp from upstate" (as per GTA3), and I didn't agree with his backstory being rewritten in such a way.

When I first come to Vice City I feel all lonely, a man on the outside, a foreigner, then I say "Fernando, you like to talk a lot", so I get a well paid job on the radio and begin to make my name as a successful DJ. Now I'm not so lonely, but I never forget my roots, I never forget, so I always have a soft spot for Foreigner. "I've been waiting" is next...

Knoyleo wrote:

That's the original version, not the definitive edition.

The problem there is the trees popping in suddenly much closer than the draw distance should have them appear - there are some that fade in from the fog alongside the topography and that looks fine, but the pop-in looks rubbish (see at 4 seconds the trees on the left pop-in jarringly but the trees directly ahead fade in more naturally at the further distance).

There's a popular opinion that the low draw distance from the fog is beneficial in making the world seem bigger which I am happy to be reading - it's always good to see people considering visuals beyond how technically impressive they are. The fog was obviously a technical limitation of the time, but the appearance of the game world was then designed alongside that limitation. I think the best way of remastering that is to address technical problems such as the tree pop-in so that everything does fade in nicely at the fog boundary, but not to remove the fog. It's similar to how I don't think applying much higher resolution textures is the right thing to do if you aren't remaking the environment with a higher polygon count to match.

They are different situations but the loss of fog in Ocarina of Time on Switch Online is possibly the most strikingly worse thing about that version too, just to help argue for the benefits of fog!

SEP wrote:
Knoyleo wrote:

That's the original version, not the definitive edition.

Whoops, I've been getting definitive edition videos recommended to me on YouTube all week, so just assumed this was as well. :fp:

Nearly finished San An, just have to take some territory over to trigger the last mission. All the pedestrians and police are in riot mode. God I hate this bit…was gonna aim for the G’s to have all the territory but I just want the game done now. It’s been an entertaining, infuriating ride.

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