DVD Vs Blu Ray Discussion: My disc is bigger than yours

It isn't though.

I haven't seen one single 360 game cancelled because of this issue.

However how was the PS3 version of Frontlines? PS3 versions of Left 4 Dead and Left 4 Dead 2? How is the PS3 version of Metro 2033 coming along?

whats metro 2033?.

Can't you guys create a 360 vs PS3 retard-only thread and strawberry floating stay in there so the rest of us don't have to read this gooseberry fool?

JD05 wrote:whats metro 2033?.

http://www.grcade.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=13747&start=0

Ta

Edit: no bald space marines

Does anyone care enough about Frontlines to be upset about the lack of a PS3 release?

It's disappointing that the L4D games haven't made it over to the PS3, but that's less to do with the console and more to do with a stubborn fat man who hates money.

As for Metro 2033, Small time PC only developer releases game on console which is basically a PC.

I wouldn't be surprised if the sequel to Metro was released on all consoles/PC/MAC.

Rik wrote:It isn't though.

Ok then. Well your first point that the PS3 userbase is too small for a large budget game is just wrong. There is practically no difference in size between the userbases of the PS3 and 360 (and I imagine the 360 userbase includes a lot of RROD so PS3 userbase might actually be higher ).

Rik wrote:I haven't seen one single 360 game cancelled because of this issue.

It's unlikely that a game will be cancelled due to disc space as developers know what the limitations are when they start developing, instead they make sacrifices if they need to and squeeze an inferior game onto the disc.

With multi-platform games there can't be noticeable differences between the same game on different platforms, so if the 360 disc space causes sacrifices then that will often carry across to the other versions even if they have no such technical limitations.

Rik wrote:However how was the PS3 version of Frontlines? PS3 versions of Left 4 Dead and Left 4 Dead 2? How is the PS3 version of Metro 2033 coming along?

I have no idea, none of those games interest me. I've never even heard of Metro 2033

Hugo Stiglitz wrote:Does anyone care enough about Frontlines to be upset about the lack of a PS3 release?

It's disappointing that the L4D games haven't made it over to the PS3, but that's less to do with the console and more to do with a stubborn fat man who hates money.

As for Metro 2033, Small time PC only developer releases game on console which is basically a PC.

I wouldn't be surprised if the sequel to Metro was released on all consoles/PC/MAC.

Frontlines was canned because they couldn't get it running on PS3, yes even with BluRay

Left 4 Dead 1 & 2 not on PS3 because the machine is an odd design that has no future so Valve can't be bothered with the smallest userbase.

Metro 2033, similar story, can't be bothered with the dead end design because the rewards aren't worth it.

So there are four games canned because of features of PS3 and yet nobody has a single example of a 360 game canned because of DVD

If LA Noire is canned on 360 then fair enough, I'll hold my hands up, until then though.........

Rik wrote:

Hugo Stiglitz wrote:Does anyone care enough about Frontlines to be upset about the lack of a PS3 release?

It's disappointing that the L4D games haven't made it over to the PS3, but that's less to do with the console and more to do with a stubborn fat man who hates money.

As for Metro 2033, Small time PC only developer releases game on console which is basically a PC.

I wouldn't be surprised if the sequel to Metro was released on all consoles/PC/MAC.

Frontlines was canned because they couldn't get it running on PS3, yes even with BluRay

Left 4 Dead 1 & 2 not on PS3 because the machine is an odd design that has no future so Valve can't be bothered with the smallest userbase.

Metro 2033, similar story, can't be bothered with the dead end design because the rewards aren't worth it.

So there are four games canned because of features of PS3 and yet nobody has a single example of a 360 game canned because of DVD

If LA Noire is canned on 360 then fair enough, I'll hold my hands up, until then though.........

Valve recently mentioned that they are interested in PS3. Would be stupid to ignore 30+ million PS3 owners now.

Yeah, the Valve 'excuse' really doesn't make sense now they've decided to support the MAC.

Seems more like a stubborn man deciding he doesn't care about 30+ millions users because he doesn't understand how to code for the console.

I would make a fat joke, but it'd be in bad taste.

Rik wrote:The only thing BluRay has given me as gamer so far is a full ******* HDD, its so slow that my 60gb PS3 is full of compulsary installs that have been dumped onto it.

Calling you out here because we all know that is utter bullshit. Games that require an install are generally games that have been coded early in the systems life-cycle or developers that can't be bothered to put in the effort...it has absolutely nothing to do with the technology. Many games...in fact many/all (can't be arsed to check) Sony 1st party titles...you know, those ones that are actually pushing the hardware...seldom require an install.

I just can't believe you even considered saying that.

Rik wrote:

But due to the larger 360 install base, they can't simply go PS3 only and the only remaining choices are to suck it up and pay MS for the additional disc or remove content and release a butchered LP2.

The proof will be if the PS3 version offers all this cut stuff come release, if the devs are so so sad I'm sure that the PS3 version will be unaffected, or maybe not.........

How is that proof? At the end of the day the game will have identical releases. Does it somehow escape your mind that it's a great opportunity to provide people who buy it with DLC...DLC that should have been in the game from the start?

Rik wrote:However how was the PS3 version of Frontlines? PS3 versions of Left 4 Dead and Left 4 Dead 2? How is the PS3 version of Metro 2033 coming along?

How are any of these directly affected by Blu-Ray storage space?

Rik wrote:

Hugo Stiglitz wrote:Does anyone care enough about Frontlines to be upset about the lack of a PS3 release?

It's disappointing that the L4D games haven't made it over to the PS3, but that's less to do with the console and more to do with a stubborn fat man who hates money.

As for Metro 2033, Small time PC only developer releases game on console which is basically a PC.

I wouldn't be surprised if the sequel to Metro was released on all consoles/PC/MAC.

Frontlines was canned because they couldn't get it running on PS3, yes even with BluRay

Left 4 Dead 1 & 2 not on PS3 because the machine is an odd design that has no future so Valve can't be bothered with the smallest userbase.

Metro 2033, similar story, can't be bothered with the dead end design because the rewards aren't worth it.

So there are four games canned because of features of PS3 and yet nobody has a single example of a 360 game canned because of DVD

Frontlines is clearly, as many developers/games have already demonstrated, a developer issue.

Glad to hear that the 'smallest userbase' doesn't run to over 30 million plus!

Can't say I know much about Metro 2033...so don't care.

Rik wrote:If LA Noire is canned on 360 then fair enough, I'll hold my hands up, until then though.........

..........you'll keep disregarding the fact games are getting bigger and more space is required?

This space thing is ridiculous.

The vast majority of games fit fine on a single DVD, only where a game has been purpose built for more space does it then become a problem.

Its the same as all the shitty PS3 ports of 360 games we've had. If this game had been designed with a 360 version in mind from the beginning there wouldn't be a problem.

Calling you out here because we all know that is utter bullshit. Games that require an install are generally games that have been coded early in the systems life-cycle or developers that can't be bothered to put in the effort...it has absolutely nothing to do with the technology. Many games...in fact many/all (can't be arsed to check) Sony 1st party titles...you know, those ones that are actually pushing the hardware...seldom require an install.

I just can't believe you even considered saying that

Calling me out , I just had Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2 and Heavy Rain in the last two weeks, both require installs.

Were they programmed early in the systems life? So believe, I said it and it's true.

How is that proof? At the end of the day the game will have identical releases. Does it somehow escape your mind that it's a great opportunity to provide people who buy it with DLC...DLC that should have been in the game from the start?

Maybe DLC is part of a business plan these days rather than because of limitation in DVD capacity.........seriously get a grip.

How are any of these directly affected by Blu-Ray storage space?

I said that where?

Can't say I know much about Metro 2033...so don't care.

Well you wouldn't, it isn't coming to PS3.

you'll keep disregarding the fact games are getting bigger and more space is required?

Is GTAIV "Bigger" than GTA:SA? What games are bigger than Oblivion or Fallout 3, how many discs did they come on?

So much in this thread. Like Chalky said, can't you guys take all this shite to another thread. I come in here expect to read about LA Noire but instead it's pages of shite, "DVD is old hat... No you are old hat", etc.

Rik wrote:

Calling you out here because we all know that is utter bullshit. Games that require an install are generally games that have been coded early in the systems life-cycle or developers that can't be bothered to put in the effort...it has absolutely nothing to do with the technology. Many games...in fact many/all (can't be arsed to check) Sony 1st party titles...you know, those ones that are actually pushing the hardware...seldom require an install.

I just can't believe you even considered saying that

Calling me out , I just had Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2 and Heavy Rain in the last two weeks, both require installs.

Were they programmed early in the systems life? So believe, I said it and it's true.

So what about Uncharted 2 or God of War III? Massive games...in terms of raw data...that pushed the system yet no install. Maybe though you are suggesting that previously released games couldn't be re-engineered to run without an install...which would be ridiculous, right.

The fact is there are plenty of games on the system that do not require an install but, as you seem to want to, continue to glaze over them.

Rik wrote:

cooldawn wrote:How is that proof? At the end of the day the game will have identical releases. Does it somehow escape your mind that it's a great opportunity to provide people who buy it with DLC...DLC that should have been in the game from the start?

Maybe DLC is part of a business plan these days rather than because of limitation in DVD capacity.........seriously get a grip.

Yeah, maybe that's why they couldn't fit the content on to a DVD...because it's part of a business plan, eh Rik.

Rik wrote:

cooldawn wrote:How are any of these directly affected by Blu-Ray storage space?

I said that where?

OK then...soooo they are in the discussion because?

Rik wrote:

cooldawn wrote:Can't say I know much about Metro 2033...so don't care.

Well you wouldn't, it isn't coming to PS3.

Well the game has hardly been making a splash...must be excellent!

Rik wrote:

cooldawn wrote:you'll keep disregarding the fact games are getting bigger and more space is required?

Is GTAIV "Bigger" than GTA:SA? What games are bigger than Oblivion or Fallout 3, how many discs did they come on?

The Housers did actually say Liberty City in GTA:IV is smaller in land mass but it's taller. That was one of the main points the developers made right from the start. As for Oblivion or Fallout 3...I don't know since I haven't played either game.

consolegaming wrote:Please go back to being PS3 exclusive

Um...why?

satriales wrote:
The obvious solution is to split the city into two parts and put each half on a seperate disc. You are more likely to make the required space savings with this method but it would result in a game in which you have to swap discs every time you cross over to the other part of the city and then swap discs again whenever you come back.

Just a thought, but couldn't they provide two discs initially and have the user install the second one to their hard-drive rather than making it a disc-swapping process during the game? That'd make far more sense, surely? I mean, it's pretty much what the GTA DLC is.

Question, though: When you buy the GTA IV DLC on disc, can you install it to your HDD and access it from the GTA IV disc, like you do when downloading it from LIVE?

This thread is the definition of lame.

How old are you, Rik?

So guys how about gaming on the PC. No discs needed at all!

Winckle wrote:So guys how about gaming on the PC. No discs needed at all!

Get back in your cave, troll.