Godzilla wrote:Predator 2 is really an excellent little film, the cast is amazing and loads of additions to Predator lore (especially the Alien skull on the wall of the ship)
Predators is a great film, it isn't far off being a classic. Just needed a few more moments. But the pacing and cast lift it.
AvP I'd weird, chunky predators and a final shot that had someone in the cinema shout "of for strawberry floats sake"
AvP2 ... The uncut version is actually watchable. It has some good effects, a lot of gore and action. Plus the Predator is the star of the film. It goes weird with a hybrid alien predator seeking out pregnant women for shock value. And the ending was done better in Return of the Living Dead. But, it's still gory fun.
The Predator is a nasty and pointless film. Only the opening predator bits are good, the cast are poor and the literal destruction of one of cinemas best monsters is horribly done. Then there is the humor based on people's diagnosis. A film best described as nasty.
Predator>Prey>Predator 2>Predators>>>>>>AvP:R>AvP>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The Predator
Four great to good movies, followed by disappointing but fun diversions, then a strawberry floating dumpster fire.
The AvP movies are a weird one for me. I'm the opposite to most people in that I vastly prefer AvP: Requiem to AvP.
Neither movie is particularly good, but AvP is just dull. It's focused on the humans, it's got mostly rubbish fights (The bit where the Predator is smashing it into columns by it's tail is probably the best bit), a boring as strawberry float maze environment and stupidly large Predators that just look wrong. There's also a lot more obvious CGI. I've never rated Anderson as a director. Also having watched both this and Resident Evil again recently it's actually shocking how similar they are in a lot of ways. The details might be different but the structure is almost identical (Colin Salmon gets diced in both of them too).
AvP: Requiem I enjoyed a lot more. Again I rewatched it recently. The CGI is far less noticable and the Aliens and Predators all look much, much better. The Predator actually felt like a Predator. It's the right size, it's moves correctly and it's got some really cool sequences.
It's got some nasty strawberry floating kills in it as well. The PG-13/12 rating for AvP meant it could never really get too violent, the R/18 for this one meant that wasn't a problem. Arguably it's a little too nasty in places.
My main issues with AvP2 comes down to two thing.
One, it's far too strawberry floating dark. I get that it was to help mask some of the CGI work but it makes it so hard to see what's happening.
Two, literally none of the human characters are worth caring about. They're all utterly disposable. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but I cared about none of them. So much so I strawberry floating cheered when the blonde girl gets nailed to the strawberry floating wall out of nowhere by the spinning blade.
I'm not going to argue that either of them are profound works of cinema, but I've never really understood why Requiem got all the hate over AvP.
Both of them have contrived plots that don't stand up to scrutiny, with characters who make stupid or senseless decisions in them. But ultimately I'm there to see Aliens and Predators beat the gooseberry fool out of each other for 90 minutes, so I can forgive that.