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by FatDaz » Sun Jan 27, 2019 8:58 pm

Don’t agree with a lot of what you say. It doesn’t set up anything exciting. In fact it doesn’t really set up anything. Any plot hooks were unceremoniously dumped. The characters didn’t really grow over the movie. Kylo Ren was great I’ll agree on that, but Luke was a betrayal of his character, Finn did nothing, Poe had a move toward leadership, but this was undermined by how much of a cock he was at the start. Plot holes everywhere and the Holdo manoeuvre single handidly breaks Star Wars canon. Why have an epic battle with the Death Star when you can just lightspeed a bunch of ships at it and go home. Unforgivable.

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by Tafdolphin » Sun Jan 27, 2019 9:10 pm

FatDaz wrote:The characters didn’t really grow over the movie.


As I've mentioned before, I have no problem with people disliking the movie. The above though is objectively wrong. Or at least it is the way I watched the film.

(And all that stuff about Holdo breaking rules and not being consistent in etc etc...give a gooseberry fool? It's a fantastic moment, narratively and visually. I couldn't care less about lore at that point. I understand why people might have an issue with it but for me the payoff of that one sequence was worth it.

Casablanca's great though eh? Apart from the bit where they sing the Marseillaise which clearly breaks any immersion as Morocco was under Nazi rule at the time and there are strict laws which would have meant etc etc.

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PostRe: Last film you watched and your rating
by Jenuall » Sun Jan 27, 2019 9:20 pm

I really need to get round to watching The Last Jedi (and Rogue One and Solo for that matter...) so I can finally read all these hot takes about it!

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by mcjihge2 » Sun Jan 27, 2019 9:39 pm

Tafdolphin wrote:
FatDaz wrote:The characters didn’t really grow over the movie.


As I've mentioned before, I have no problem with people disliking the movie. The above though is objectively wrong. Or at least it is the way I watched the film.


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by Hexx » Sun Jan 27, 2019 9:44 pm

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The Last Jedi 8.5/10

Still the best of the recent Star Wars crop, and my second favourite in the series behind Empire, this is the most tonally consistent of the films whilst also being the first to examine what it is to be a Star Wars film. It's a film that recognises that the series, both in-universe and out, is about legacy, about building on what came before, and to actually do something with that. It burns Star Wars to the ground, literally and narratively, and made the franchise feel exciting for the first time in 40 years.

Whereas Force Awakens concerned itself with ground laying and capital p Plot (whilst tippytoeing back into the groove timid as a Twilek in a Rancor cave) TLJ is all about character. The story here is laughably simple: the Resistance gets caught, they must escape. The narrative though, those events that take place between the giant plot holes of the greater arc, are the true focus and they're where the film shines. At the end of TFA Finn is a relentless coward obsessed with saving the girl he attributes with his rebirth, Poe is a gungho meathead with no higher thought processes and Rey is a dreamer convinced of fairytale endings. TLJ mercilessly tears down these characters and rebuilds them anew as something better, something deeper and something that Star Wars hasn't really seen since the original trilogy closed out: people.

And that's not even counting Kylo Ren. In TFA Driver put in a fantastic physical performance of barely constrained rage, but apart from a rehash of Anakin-tropes we didn't know what drove him. By the end of TLJ, we not only knew who he was but were taught sympathy for him. Sympathy. For the villain in a Star Wars film. Much has been said about the series' simplistically solid black and white morality and TLJ took this and ran, making Ren the best Star Wars villain in the series, Vader included.

It's an incredibly satisfying film that builds its arcs flawlessly and brings them back together to provide the most intriguing set up for a next entry I can think of. It's not perfect. As much as I like its intent the casino scenes don't really work, Hux is the film's one misstep in characterisation and some of the lines are a little too on the nose, but it's a far deeper, more thoroughly thoughtful film than The Force Awakens and I for one am incredibly excited about Johnson's in production non-Skywalker trilogy.


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by Ord » Sun Jan 27, 2019 10:01 pm

Aquaman 7/10
Very fun superhero romp with some incredible special effects! A lot better than I was expecting. Funny how the lesser known Justice League heroes solo films are considerably better that the recent Superman and Batman endeavors have been.

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by FatDaz » Sun Jan 27, 2019 10:22 pm

Tafdolphin wrote:
FatDaz wrote:The characters didn’t really grow over the movie.


As I've mentioned before, I have no problem with people disliking the movie. The above though is objectively wrong. Or at least it is the way I watched the film.

(And all that stuff about Holdo breaking rules and not being consistent in etc etc...give a gooseberry fool? It's a fantastic moment, narratively and visually. I couldn't care less about lore at that point. I understand why people might have an issue with it but for me the payoff of that one sequence was worth it


The character arcs are painfully obvious and cliche though. Finn was running from war but wow he becomes a hero willing to sacrifice himself.

Poe was cocky and selfish but now he learnt his lesson and now thinks about others.

Tell me what about Roses characterisation? She fell in love with Finn for no reason and contributed nothing aside from saving his life (which endangered a lot more)

Luke Was not the Luke of OT. In that he firmly believed no one was beyond redemption. Now he tries to murder a kid and then just gives up. How Is that a believable arc for the established character.

There are good bits to TLJ, the dynamic between Rey and Kylo was great, the action scenes were enjoyable and there were some bad ass moments. But to claim the film takes the Star Wars story in a good direction is not one I’ll agree with.

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by Oblomov Boblomov » Sun Jan 27, 2019 10:44 pm

The missing sequence between Rose stopping Finn completing his kamikaze and both of them getting back safely to the rebel base is utterly unforgivable in a film of such stature.

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by Wedgie » Sun Jan 27, 2019 10:51 pm

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by Cuttooth » Sun Jan 27, 2019 11:17 pm

The Last Jedi is a weird, not particularly good movie that does something admittedly interesting (but not conceptually groundbreaking) with the concept of overriding traditions within cultures being an ultimately meritless and harmful thing.

I honestly think if we didn't have so many hour long breakdowns on YouTube from angry alt-right people who want to whine about how TLJ ruined their precious childhood marketing memories of believing their enjoyment of the biggest film franchise in history made them an outsider then all these hot takes, over a year after it came out, wouldn't exist.

It's quite a messy Hollywood film that doesn't even feel like it's part of the same trilogy, with some downright bizarre scenes. I enjoyed Rogue One way more than it and that was ultimately really just a collection of pastiches of already established films.

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PostRe: Last film you watched and your rating
by joyjoy22 » Mon Jan 28, 2019 5:07 am

Bumblebee, I am a fan of Transformers and I love the effects and the story.

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by Tafdolphin » Mon Jan 28, 2019 5:58 am

Cuttooth wrote:The Last Jedi is a weird, not particularly good movie that does something admittedly interesting (but not conceptually groundbreaking) with the concept of overriding traditions within cultures being an ultimately meritless and harmful thing.

I honestly think if we didn't have so many hour long breakdowns on YouTube from angry alt-right people who want to whine about how TLJ ruined their precious childhood marketing memories of believing their enjoyment of the biggest film franchise in history made them an outsider then all these hot takes, over a year after it came out, wouldn't exist.

It's quite a messy Hollywood film that doesn't even feel like it's part of the same trilogy, with some downright bizarre scenes. I enjoyed Rogue One way more than it and that was ultimately really just a collection of pastiches of already established films.


See, this I can get behind. I disagree almost completely with it (though Rogue One is great), but it's a decent counterpoint to those of us who like it as it's an actual criticism rather than just "This isn't the same, give me more of the same."

(I really disagree about the 'hot takes' though. I mean, it's a Star Wars film. People are still debating the prequels over a decade since they came out.)

I've been wondering why I'm not particularly hyped for Episode IX and I think it's because after VIII I'm expecting a return to the fantasy blockbuster type Star Wars of old which, again considering TLJ, I'm not really here for anymore.

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by Vermilion » Mon Jan 28, 2019 7:57 am

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SugarDave wrote:Casablanca (1942) - *****
It's always weird going into these films often called the best of all time, I'm almost looking for any flaw that'll bring it down. Genuinely thought this was brilliant though.


They'd be stupid to try and remake it again too, as the one starring Myra Dinglebat & Peter Beardsley was definitive!

So hard to get a copy of it now though. You can't get it for love nor money, it's like Venus' arms, like Brooke Shields' buttocks!


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by Jenuall » Mon Jan 28, 2019 8:53 am

Vermilion wrote:
Jenuall wrote:
Vermilion wrote:
SugarDave wrote:Casablanca (1942) - *****
It's always weird going into these films often called the best of all time, I'm almost looking for any flaw that'll bring it down. Genuinely thought this was brilliant though.


They'd be stupid to try and remake it again too, as the one starring Myra Dinglebat & Peter Beardsley was definitive!

So hard to get a copy of it now though. You can't get it for love nor money, it's like Venus' arms, like Brooke Shields' buttocks!


It pleases me that someone finally spotted the reference. :toot:

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by Godzilla » Mon Jan 28, 2019 4:19 pm

Bumblebee - 8/10

A lovely little movie. The pre title sequence is better than all of the previous movies combined. Extra points for The Smiths references and a good few The Breakfast Club references too.

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by KingK » Mon Jan 28, 2019 4:21 pm

A Quiet Place. Much better than Birdbox.

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by OrangeRKN » Mon Jan 28, 2019 4:39 pm

Tafdolphin wrote:The Last Jedi 8.5/10


I don't disagree with the things you liked about the film as they are the things I wanted to like the film for. Where I can't relate is how dismissive you are of how poorly plotted and inconsistent the film is. A deconstruction of the franchise is a great and brave concept for a mainline Star Wars film, but the individual character moments are totally deadened by the painfully nonsensical story. The character's develop in an interesting way, but it's hard to focus on that when they are running around making the most illogical decisions and when so much inconsistency leaves me thinking that most of the film just doesn't make sense. Not in a "the writer's forgot about this one thing" way, but in a "this literally does not make sense in the slightest" kind of way.

Two of the things I highly value in films are subversion of expectations, and intelligently constructed and self-consistent plots. The Last Jedi delivers greatly on the former but fails miserably with the latter.

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by Tafdolphin » Mon Jan 28, 2019 5:26 pm

I don't think I'm going to disagree there. The overarching plot is, if analysed in the cold light of day, a bit silly at the best of times.

And I think this is where my frustration with the generally held criticisms comes from. There are plot holes. There are characters making stupid decisions. There is a general feeling that this is a different breed of film to the other Star Wars entries. But largely the criticisms are 'my lore!' or 'Not My Luke!'

This is a film about failure and it's consequences, good and bad. In order to study failure you need characters to fail and in order to fail they need to make questionable decisions. For me, this logic overrode the seemingly daft decisions made, as these worked towards making a greater point. I can totally see how people wouldn't be able to get over that however, and subsequently dislike the film because of its inconsistencies.

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by Miguel007 » Mon Jan 28, 2019 6:31 pm

The Mule - 7/10 - 90 year old Horticulturist falls on hard times both financially and emotionally and starts driving for the Mexican Drug Cartel, very enjoyable. Clint looks really, really old in this it feels like a slight continuation of his character in Gran Torino. I'd be hard pressed to see him do anymore but the man is a machine!

Excellent supporting cast with Michael Pena, Lawrence Fishburne, Bradley Cooper. Andy Garcia pops up in a typecast role; but he's too fat and old to offer any menace and Clint's wife in this is god awful. One scene in particular her passing away is up there with Marion Cotillard's death in Dark Knight Rises :fp:

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by Skarjo » Tue Jan 29, 2019 12:41 am

Glass.

Meh. I'm not a massive fan of Unbreakable, but I do really like Split, so I went into this with mixed expectations. Problem is, there's this quite interesting meta-narrative about the role heroes play and how we create them, but the actual narrative of the movie is really dull, and then it gets stupid, and then after the 8th Shyamamalamming at the end, utterly nonsensical. Too many plotlines that seem to have interesting potential until they go nowhere and you realise that they're solely empty sequel-bait with no meat.

Shame really. As McAvoy was brilliant. Jackson doesn't really get a chance to do anything for narrative reasons, and Willis emails his performance in and looks thoroughly bored the whole time. Probably because for the plot to hold any kind of narrative coherence, all the characters have to basically ignore Willis' character as he could literally hold his hand up and render the whole plot nonsensical with one sentence of exposition.

The plot was all over the strawberry floating place. So the whole point of the plot ostensibly is that the one from American Horror Story is a psychologist who thinks that all three major players have delusions of being superheroes, or having superpowers, and so she gets them all committed so she can convince them that they're not. I mean, OK, sure, except Bruce Willis spends his life keeping his powers secret. They even have a whole scene where his son is going through the comicy names they've given him because no one knows who he is. Bruce Willis could literally just say 'Um, I don't think I'm a super hero at all, can I go now please?'. Boom, off you go. She even says 'If I could have convinced you you were normal, I would have left you alone', which is exactly what Willis is pretending to be anyway.

So Bruce Willis could render the whole plot over, at least for him, just by asking politely to leave. But even if he didn't want to, he literally has a very demonstrable super power. He could just say 'No, I really am super strong. Look' - *Breaks woman in half*. He's shown bending metal bars and ripping metal out of tables and stuff - if the main plot is to be believed, he could literally demonstrate that he's not imagining it.

So the plot basically HAS to ignore Bruce Willis because he can literally render the plot nonsensical just by being his character.

But then of course, there's the final Shyamalamming where it's revealed that Mrs AHS is part of a secret society that wants to keep superheroes hidden. Willis was already hidden. Why would you bring the superhero and villain in contact with a strawberry floating criminal mastermind? It's like The Usual Suspects except Keyser Soze did it by accident. Why staff the asylum with incompetent lackeys when you literally know they're super heroes. When she was a normal psychologist who genuinely thought they were normal people with delusions, that all made sense. But given that she knows they're super all along, literally nothing she does makes sense.


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