Marvel Cinematic Universe Thread 2: The Dark World

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by Buffalo » Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:31 pm

Said it before but I think the first Cap film is ridiculously underrated. Absolutely love it, really well made and written. Tommy Lee Jones is just class in it.

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by Zilnad » Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:33 pm

It's only the odd pacing that lets it down unfortunately.

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by Memento Mori » Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:49 pm

Bay 12, Please wrote:Said it before but I think the first Cap film is ridiculously underrated. Absolutely love it, really well made and written. Tommy Lee Jones is just class in it.

It's one of my favourite MCU films and extremely rewatchable. Time to dig out the big list:

The Winter Soldier
Spider-Man Homecoming
Infinity War
Guardians of the Galaxy
Captain America
Spider-Man Far From Home
Endgame
Civil War
Black Panther
Guardians of the Galaxy 2
Thor Ragnarok
Iron Man
Avengers
Age of Ultron
Iron Man 3
Thor
Captain Marvel
Ant-Man
The Incredible Hulk
Ant-Man and The Wasp
Iron Man 2
Doctor Strange
The Dark World

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PostRe: Marvel Cinematic Universe Thread 2: The Dark World
by Rex Kramer » Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:09 pm

As time passes I'm definitely coming round to the idea that Infinity War is better than Endgame. Infinity War has a tighter scope and I think Endgame tries to do too much. Maybe it would have been better as 2 films.

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PostRe: Marvel Cinematic Universe Thread 2: The Dark World
by Tomous » Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:18 pm

Rex Kramer wrote:As time passes I'm definitely coming round to the idea that Infinity War is better than Endgame. Infinity War has a tighter scope and I think Endgame tries to do too much. Maybe it would have been better as 2 films.



Infinity War is definitely better than Endgame in my opinion, but I think they had the harder task with Endgame to be fair.

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by Corazon de Leon » Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:20 pm

Bay 12, Please wrote:Said it before but I think the first Cap film is ridiculously underrated. Absolutely love it, really well made and written. Tommy Lee Jones is just class in it.


Strongly agree with this.

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by Jenuall » Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:23 pm

Yeah Cap 1 is a great movie and a fantastic introduction for Steve. I'm still sad that we never got to see more of the character in the original WWII era.

Also yeah Infinity War is definitely better than Endgame, it manages to achieve a huge amount and juggles it all incredibly well. As noted Endgame did have a harder job, and I think the tone shift in the first half is handled really well, but it can't quite bring it together to be the better movie IMO.

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by Cuttooth » Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:30 pm

rinks wrote:
Cuttooth wrote:I think he means the mid and end credits scenes that set up future films?

Yeah, that’s what I was thinking of. OrangeRBBT is right about Infinity War being the only unresolved one (I think), but when I said resolution I meant more the series as a whole.

It's interesting, as a relatively "casual" MCU fan (and probably helped from not seeing a lot of the films as they were released in the cinema) those post film moments were only a bit of extra fun for me. I tended to already know about the plans for whatever future film they might have been referencing.

By the end of the Infinity Saga I was honestly a bit sick of them as a narrative device!

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by Corazon de Leon » Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:32 pm

Phase 1 had excellent villains for the most part. Hiddleston as Loki, Jeff Bridges as Obadiah Stane and Hugo Weaving's Red Skull were excellent - people only gooseberry fool on Stane because he basically invented a trope. Even Tim Roth was decent, the only real mis-step was Mickey Rourke as Whiplash and even then I thought Sam Rockwell was a good Justin Hammer.

Phase 2 villains were mostly good as well. I loved Guy Pearce, Robert Redford and Lee Pace. James Spader was great in an otherwise relatively average film. Chris Eccleston was hampered by a bad script and Corey Stoll was fine but too close to Jeff Bridges.

Phase 3 had some crackers. MVP is obviously Josh Brolin but honourable mentions to Michael Keaton, Michael B. Jordan and Kurt Russell. Cate Blanchett was good, Jake Gyllenhaal was good, Jude Law was decent, Mads Mikkelsen was sadly underwritten and Walton Goggins/Hannah John-Kamen didn't really have much to do. Daniel Bruhl is overshadowed a little bit by the story of his film but is also fine.

Also BTW, check out the strawberry floating talent in that list of Marvel villains. Two thirds of Priscilla, Queen of the Desert, the strawberry floating Dude, actual Oscar winners, Hollywood acting royalty for six decades, strawberry floating Batman and Snake Plissken. And Jude Law.

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by Jenuall » Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:41 pm

I'd actually forgotten about Jude Law being in an MCU movie! I remember enjoying Captain Marvel but the fact it was time shifted away from all the others and the distancing that did to it, combined with the relative lack of follow up on the events and characters of the movie means it is one of the easiest to forget about at the moment.

Hopefully Captain Marvel gets more involved as we go forward.

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by Rex Kramer » Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:45 pm

Corazon de Leon wrote:Phase 1 had excellent villains for the most part. Hiddleston as Loki, Jeff Bridges as Obadiah Stane and Hugo Weaving's Red Skull were excellent - people only gooseberry fool on Stane because he basically invented a trope. Even Tim Roth was decent, the only real mis-step was Mickey Rourke as Whiplash and even then I thought Sam Rockwell was a good Justin Hammer.

Phase 2 villains were mostly good as well. I loved Guy Pearce, Robert Redford and Lee Pace. James Spader was great in an otherwise relatively average film. Chris Eccleston was hampered by a bad script and Corey Stoll was fine but too close to Jeff Bridges.

Phase 3 had some crackers. MVP is obviously Josh Brolin but honourable mentions to Michael Keaton, Michael B. Jordan and Kurt Russell. Cate Blanchett was good, Jake Gyllenhaal was good, Jude Law was decent, Mads Mikkelsen was sadly underwritten and Walton Goggins/Hannah John-Kamen didn't really have much to do. Daniel Bruhl is overshadowed a little bit by the story of his film but is also fine.

Also BTW, check out the strawberry floating talent in that list of Marvel villains. Two thirds of Priscilla, Queen of the Desert, the strawberry floating Dude, actual Oscar winners, Hollywood acting royalty for six decades, strawberry floating Batman and Snake Plissken. And Jude Law.

You missed the single greatest (and by that I mean weirdest) casting as a Marvel villian - Hugh from Detectorists.

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PostRe: Marvel Cinematic Universe Thread 2: The Dark World
by Jenuall » Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:46 pm

Toby Jones is awesome in everything though, and he does make a damned fine villain.

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by Rex Kramer » Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:50 pm

Jenuall wrote:Toby Jones is awesome in everything though, and he does make a damned fine villain.

No, not Toby Jones (who is indeed absolutely awesome in everything). Hugh

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PostRe: Marvel Cinematic Universe Thread 2: The Dark World
by Jenuall » Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:51 pm

Oh yeah! How could I forget Hugh! :fp:

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PostRe: Marvel Cinematic Universe Thread 2: The Dark World
by rinks » Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:58 pm

Ha, yeah I was a bit stunned when I saw him!

Also a big thumbs up here for Luis’s rambling storytelling.

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PostRe: Marvel Cinematic Universe Thread 2: The Dark World
by Rex Kramer » Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:59 pm

I actually exclaimed 'That's Hugh' out loud in a fairly busy cinema. Don't think my daughter was too impressed.

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PostRe: Marvel Cinematic Universe Thread 2: The Dark World
by Jenuall » Mon Jan 11, 2021 2:01 pm

I involuntarily shouted out at a couple of the Community cameos that the Russo's put into the MCU movies they directed, fortunately I was only watching the movies at home with my wife rather than in a cinema - she was still annoyed though! :lol:

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by Corazon de Leon » Mon Jan 11, 2021 2:02 pm

Nah fair play Rex, Toby Jones is bloody brilliant in CA:TFA :lol:

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PostRe: Marvel Cinematic Universe Thread 2: The Dark World
by rinks » Mon Jan 11, 2021 2:04 pm

I had to google when Scott said “pep-pep”, as it meant nothing to me. A Tim and Eric in-joke, apparently.

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PostRe: Marvel Cinematic Universe Thread 2: The Dark World
by Carlos » Mon Jan 11, 2021 2:17 pm

Rex Kramer wrote:As time passes I'm definitely coming round to the idea that Infinity War is better than Endgame. Infinity War has a tighter scope and I think Endgame tries to do too much. Maybe it would have been better as 2 films.


The more I watch it the more I am convinced Endgame is a highly overated film. The plot, if mostly ignored does bring things to a convenient ending but there are too many holes to go into. For one thing how the heck does Cap manage to return all the infinity stones? Did they build a new tesseract, give the Red Skull the yellow stone back (and what did Cap say when he saw the red skull?!), re-inject Natalie portman with the Aether etc? And if the Thanos from before GOTG comes forward in time, dies and then never returns does this not then massively change the entire timeline causing a huge paradox?

The CGI is ropey at times, particularly the time suits. The end battle is a lot of fun but its also one of the most cringe worthy fights in cinema history. Captain Marvel is literally OP. Why would she conveniently need the backup of all the other women who just happen to be in that spot at the same time? And in 2025 is Fortnite still the dominant videogame?

Infinity War is a much better paced film with fantastic fight scenes, some great re-introductions and the most jaw-dropping ending to a film since Empire Strikes Back.


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