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PostRe: Marvel Cinematic Universe Thread 2: Black Widow on Disney+ July 9th
by Moggy » Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:47 pm

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Tomous wrote:Ep 2:So is the idea going to be there is one universe and one timline because of the Time Keepers and the TVA but Lady Loki bombing the Sacred Timeline is going tk create the multiverse and lead into Dr Strange 2, Spidey 3 etc?

edit: but didn't Endgame suggest there were different timelines when they travelled in time? I'm confused how this works and the rules they're establishing. And thinking about it, didn't the Avengers cause timeline branching by strawberry floating about with time travel. Why didn't the TVA show up?


The whole thing in Endgame was they would bring the stones back to the same moment they took them from, so it wouldn't create an alternate timeline. I think Tilda Swinton chats to Banner about it all. I'm not sure how far along the timeline needs to get before they decide that it's a variant line, though.


They said in episode 1 that the Avengers were allowed to do it. Which I guess means that their "branch" was actually the sacred timeline all along.


So do the TVA remove the alternate timelines as they are created?


The Avengers didn't really create any alternates*, in the same way as Loki at Pompeii, they were in the past but didn't alter anything.

*this falls apart with Captain America. Wibbly wobbly timey wimey.

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PostRe: Marvel Cinematic Universe Thread 2: Black Widow on Disney+ July 9th
by Zilnad » Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:49 pm

I also assume that Dr Strange knows all about the TVA as he must have seen them repeatedly when he looked into all the possible timelines during IW.

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PostRe: Marvel Cinematic Universe Thread 2: Black Widow on Disney+ July 9th
by Tomous » Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:51 pm

Zilnad wrote:I also assume that Dr Strange knows all about the TVA as he must have seen them repeatedly when he looked into all the possible timelines during IW.


He didn't look at timelines though did he? Just possible outcomes?

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PostRe: Marvel Cinematic Universe Thread 2: Black Widow on Disney+ July 9th
by Moggy » Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:00 pm

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Zilnad wrote:I also assume that Dr Strange knows all about the TVA as he must have seen them repeatedly when he looked into all the possible timelines during IW.


He didn't look at timelines though did he? Just possible outcomes?


He looked at 14 million outcomes. No reason why the TVA would appear in any of them.

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PostRe: Marvel Cinematic Universe Thread 2: Black Widow on Disney+ July 9th
by Qikz » Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:32 pm

Zilnad wrote:I also assume that Dr Strange knows all about the TVA as he must have seen them repeatedly when he looked into all the possible timelines during IW.


He only looked at 14,000,000 possible futures but that wasn't all of them.

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PostRe: Marvel Cinematic Universe Thread 2: Black Widow on Disney+ July 9th
by Tomous » Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:34 pm

Imagine the 14,000,001st outcome had a really easy way of winning that avoided the snap etc, how silly would he feel

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by Return_of_the_STAR » Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:39 pm

Tomous wrote:Imagine the 14,000,001st outcome had a really easy way of winning that avoided the snap etc, how silly would he feel


That was where they chopped off Thanos’s arm on Titan instead of trying to pull the Gauntlet off.

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by Alvin Flummux » Thu Jun 17, 2021 1:59 am

Is the Roxxcart store a reference to the corporation Roxxon from Agent Carter?

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PostRe: Marvel Cinematic Universe Thread 2: Black Widow on Disney+ July 9th
by Qikz » Thu Jun 17, 2021 2:01 am

Tomous wrote:Imagine the 14,000,001st outcome had a really easy way of winning that avoided the snap etc, how silly would he feel


He didn't have enough time to watch them all ironically.

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by BID0 » Thu Jun 17, 2021 8:07 am

Alvin Flummux wrote:Is the Roxxcart store a reference to the corporation Roxxon from Agent Carter?

It's probably a subsidiary yes. It's been in pretty much every movie, TV show and short at some point.

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PostRe: Marvel Cinematic Universe Thread 2: Black Widow on Disney+ July 9th
by Tomous » Thu Jun 17, 2021 8:29 am

So I'm still confused. How are there lots of different versions of Loki they've had to stop? Is there one timeline but lots of different universes?

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PostRe: Marvel Cinematic Universe Thread 2: Black Widow on Disney+ July 9th
by Rex Kramer » Thu Jun 17, 2021 8:32 am

Tomous wrote:So I'm still confused. How are there lots of different versions of Loki they've had to stop? Is there one timeline but lots of different universes?

There is almost certainly different dimensions within the same timeline (Doctor Strange had several for example) so maybe those are different versions of Loki in different dimensions. It is a little confusing though, I agree. I think we need Basil Exposition to set us all right.


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PostRe: Marvel Cinematic Universe Thread 2: Black Widow on Disney+ July 9th
by mcjihge2 » Thu Jun 17, 2021 8:15 pm

Just watched Ep2. Getting some Dr Who vibes with that episode. I remember when Hiddlestone was touted for the Dr Who role. - He doesnt need it now with this.

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Return_of_the_STAR wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Frank wrote:
Tomous wrote:Ep 2:So is the idea going to be there is one universe and one timline because of the Time Keepers and the TVA but Lady Loki bombing the Sacred Timeline is going tk create the multiverse and lead into Dr Strange 2, Spidey 3 etc?

edit: but didn't Endgame suggest there were different timelines when they travelled in time? I'm confused how this works and the rules they're establishing. And thinking about it, didn't the Avengers cause timeline branching by strawberry floating about with time travel. Why didn't the TVA show up?


The whole thing in Endgame was they would bring the stones back to the same moment they took them from, so it wouldn't create an alternate timeline. I think Tilda Swinton chats to Banner about it all. I'm not sure how far along the timeline needs to get before they decide that it's a variant line, though.


They said in episode 1 that the Avengers were allowed to do it. Which I guess means that their "branch" was actually the sacred timeline all along.


So do the TVA remove the alternate timelines as they are created?


The Avengers didn't really create any alternates*, in the same way as Loki at Pompeii, they were in the past but didn't alter anything.

*this falls apart with Captain America. Wibbly wobbly timey wimey.


Pretty much this. I think all other outcomes probably ended in the extinction of human life on earth at the end of Endgame. So what the Avengers did was part of the main timeline, and everything else was like Pompeii - no variants -Endgame.

Capt America probably didnt make any waves. Theres the bit in Winter Soldier where Peggy has altzheimers, maybe she was faking it. Maybe it was another bit that makes winter soldier a great film.

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Tomous wrote:So I'm still confused. How are there lots of different versions of Loki they've had to stop? Is there one timeline but lots of different universes?

There is almost certainly different dimensions within the same timeline (Doctor Strange had several for example) so maybe those are different versions of Loki in different dimensions. It is a little confusing though, I agree. I think we need Basil Exposition to set us all right.



My guess is that Loki has perhaps had access to the tesseract, mind stone etc for quite some time and so when he decides to branch off on some mischief with it, it creates a variant.

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PostRe: Marvel Cinematic Universe Thread 2: Black Widow on Disney+ July 9th
by Tomous » Thu Jun 17, 2021 9:50 pm

Did the Dr Strange film mention existence of a multiverse?

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by Qikz » Thu Jun 17, 2021 9:59 pm

Tomous wrote:Did the Dr Strange film mention existence of a multiverse?


I haven't seen it but parts of it happen in a different universe from what I understand and the next one is called Multiverse of Madness.

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PostRe: Marvel Cinematic Universe Thread 2: Black Widow on Disney+ July 9th
by shy guy 64 » Sat Jun 19, 2021 9:55 pm

finally got around to starting loki

im enjoying it though i dislike the whole predetermined path thing. i was never fond of the trope to begin with but i feel like this messes with their time travel lore all the more. so far owen wilson is the best character

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PostRe: Marvel Cinematic Universe Thread 2: Black Widow on Disney+ July 9th
by Return_of_the_STAR » Sat Jun 19, 2021 10:28 pm

I’m confused about the number listed as killed on Asgard. How can there have been fewer than 10,000 people killed and that have been most of the population. Why would they have such a tiny population when they always seem capable of putting out a big powerful army?

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PostRe: Marvel Cinematic Universe Thread 2: Black Widow on Disney+ July 9th
by Moggy » Sat Jun 19, 2021 10:31 pm

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:I’m confused about the number listed as killed on Asgard. How can there have been fewer than 10,000 people killed and that have been most of the population. Why would they have such a tiny population when they always seem capable of putting out a big powerful army?


When you're literally immortal gods, you probably don't need a large army.

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PostRe: Marvel Cinematic Universe Thread 2: Black Widow on Disney+ July 9th
by Return_of_the_STAR » Sat Jun 19, 2021 10:35 pm

Moggy wrote:
Return_of_the_STAR wrote:I’m confused about the number listed as killed on Asgard. How can there have been fewer than 10,000 people killed and that have been most of the population. Why would they have such a tiny population when they always seem capable of putting out a big powerful army?


When you're literally immortal gods, you probably don't need a large army.


Well yeah but don’t they depict them as having a large army in various flashbacks to campaigns etc. A total population of 10,000 seems far too low for how Asgard is depicted.

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PostRe: Marvel Cinematic Universe Thread 2: Black Widow on Disney+ July 9th
by Tomous » Sat Jun 19, 2021 10:46 pm

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:
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Return_of_the_STAR wrote:I’m confused about the number listed as killed on Asgard. How can there have been fewer than 10,000 people killed and that have been most of the population. Why would they have such a tiny population when they always seem capable of putting out a big powerful army?


When you're literally immortal gods, you probably don't need a large army.


Well yeah but don’t they depict them as having a large army in various flashbacks to campaigns etc. A total population of 10,000 seems far too low for how Asgard is depicted.


Thor and Loki evacuated half of Asgard and they fit on space ship. It was always more like a city population than a planet population.

What battle with a big powerful army are you thinking of?

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