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RetroCora wrote:She Hulk ep. 2 - I'm a completely different person now, like, literally.

Absolutely the funniest thing in the MCU in years.

FatDaz wrote:I really didn’t like the opener to she hulk. The 4th wall breaking was random and seemingly out of nowhere. The Mary Sue element of her instantly being better than Bruce at everything. It’s not the female empowerment that annoys me but the fact Hollywood always takes the easy route of showing it at the expense of the male characters. It’s seemingly quicker and easier to short cut character development by just showing them better than an established male character.

They made Hulk look like a chump to get she hulk over. And what the hell was going on with the jeep? He was trying to stop it and she accelerated and he was sent flying? The hulk who could smash giant flying Alien fish things out of the air was sent flying by a car?

I don't get this.

At no point was she shown to be "better" than Bruce. It was very obvious he was holding back for the majority of the time, as shown by the split second where he got irritated and threw the rock into space. He was teaching and training her, not competing.

She very quickly learned how to control her transformation into the Hulk state. But it's established that the only reason Bruce couldn't do that is because of his mental health issues.

Other than that, what is there to learn? It's not like it takes 10 years of superhero school to learn that you are strong.

FatDaz wrote:The 4th wall breaking was random and seemingly out of nowhere.

she hulk was famous for it way back when

long before deadpool i might add

FatDaz wrote:I really didn’t like the opener to she hulk. The 4th wall breaking was random and seemingly out of nowhere. The Mary Sue element of her instantly being better than Bruce at everything. It’s not the female empowerment that annoys me but the fact Hollywood always takes the easy route of showing it at the expense of the male characters. It’s seemingly quicker and easier to short cut character development by just showing them better than an established male character.

They made Hulk look like a chump to get she hulk over. And what the hell was going on with the jeep? He was trying to stop it and she accelerated and he was sent flying? The hulk who could smash giant flying Alien fish things out of the air was sent flying by a car?

Bruce has severe mental health issues originating from childhood abuse, Jen and basically everyone else who gets hulk powers doesn't. Hulk gets stronger the angrier he gets.

As expected the second episode was a lot better, they should have aired the first two as a double bill. Don't think the short running times are helping the show.

Memento Mori wrote:As expected the second episode was a lot better, they should have aired the first two as a double bill. Don't think the short running times are helping the show.

Should be a double bill every week in my opinion

Tomous wrote:

Memento Mori wrote:As expected the second episode was a lot better, they should have aired the first two as a double bill. Don't think the short running times are helping the show.

Should be a double bill every week in my opinion

Or just a 45 minute episode with a shorter run time.

strawberry float it, just do a 3 hour film

I'm in, let's do this.

I've not watched and don't really know anything about She-Hulk, but I've never been a fan of the Hulk in general - I don't see any appeal in the design of muscly green person and I find super strength a really boring (possibly the most boring) super power.

However, I have just learned that this series is subtitled "Attorney at Law" with a lighter tone and now I must know how it matches up against Birdgirl.

Moggy wrote:

FatDaz wrote:I really didn’t like the opener to she hulk. The 4th wall breaking was random and seemingly out of nowhere. The Mary Sue element of her instantly being better than Bruce at everything. It’s not the female empowerment that annoys me but the fact Hollywood always takes the easy route of showing it at the expense of the male characters. It’s seemingly quicker and easier to short cut character development by just showing them better than an established male character.

They made Hulk look like a chump to get she hulk over. And what the hell was going on with the jeep? He was trying to stop it and she accelerated and he was sent flying? The hulk who could smash giant flying Alien fish things out of the air was sent flying by a car?

I don't get this.

At no point was she shown to be "better" than Bruce. It was very obvious he was holding back for the majority of the time, as shown by the split second where he got irritated and threw the rock into space. He was teaching and training her, not competing.

She very quickly learned how to control her transformation into the Hulk state. But it's established that the only reason Bruce couldn't do that is because of his mental health issues.

Other than that, what is there to learn? It's not like it takes 10 years of superhero school to learn that you are strong.

I didn’t mean better in strength powers etc. but the way she just casually did everything without breaking a sweat really irritated me.
I’ve watched the mcu but not read comics. I don’t recall it ever stating that banner has mental health issues. And presumed comic knowledge is not good story telling. She adapted so quickly to his training, could run jump etc. I’m pretty sure anyone who underwent such a radical biological change would take longer than a few days to come to terms with (I mean she grows in height that would take time to adjust to just walking!). As far as origin stories go it felt like she got an easy ride relative to the other main mcu hero’s. No adversity doesn’t make for interesting character.

And hulk has definitely been nerfed as time has gone on. That jeep scene was tragic.

The final court scene was almost parody levels of bad (I don’t know the character so maybe cheese is what she is) I mean who the hell was the spandex villain why did they burst in where did they get powers? What was the point it all felt so rushed and cheap just to show she can fight which we already knew from banner scenes.

FatDaz wrote:

Moggy wrote:

FatDaz wrote:I really didn’t like the opener to she hulk. The 4th wall breaking was random and seemingly out of nowhere. The Mary Sue element of her instantly being better than Bruce at everything. It’s not the female empowerment that annoys me but the fact Hollywood always takes the easy route of showing it at the expense of the male characters. It’s seemingly quicker and easier to short cut character development by just showing them better than an established male character.

They made Hulk look like a chump to get she hulk over. And what the hell was going on with the jeep? He was trying to stop it and she accelerated and he was sent flying? The hulk who could smash giant flying Alien fish things out of the air was sent flying by a car?

I don't get this.

At no point was she shown to be "better" than Bruce. It was very obvious he was holding back for the majority of the time, as shown by the split second where he got irritated and threw the rock into space. He was teaching and training her, not competing.

She very quickly learned how to control her transformation into the Hulk state. But it's established that the only reason Bruce couldn't do that is because of his mental health issues.

Other than that, what is there to learn? It's not like it takes 10 years of superhero school to learn that you are strong.

I didn’t mean better in strength powers etc. but the way she just casually did everything without breaking a sweat really irritated me.
I’ve watched the mcu but not read comics. I don’t recall it ever stating that banner has mental health issues. And presumed comic knowledge is not good story telling. She adapted so quickly to his training, could run jump etc. I’m pretty sure anyone who underwent such a radical biological change would take longer than a few days to come to terms with (I mean she grows in height that would take time to adjust to just walking!). As far as origin stories go it felt like she got an easy ride relative to the other main mcu hero’s. No adversity doesn’t make for interesting character.

And hulk has definitely been nerfed as time has gone on. That jeep scene was tragic.

The final court scene was almost parody levels of bad (I don’t know the character so maybe cheese is what she is) I mean who the hell was the spandex villain why did they burst in where did they get powers? What was the point it all felt so rushed and cheap just to show she can fight which we already knew from banner scenes.

She got super strength and was then super strong. What is there to learn? If your strength was suddenly increased, would it really take you days to learn how to pick something up, or jump?

Hulk didn't take ages to learn how to lift things. Captain America instantly fought and chased a Nazi. Iron Man walked out of a cave blowing up terrorists. Doctor Strange learned magic quicker than any other wizard. Even Ant-Man was shrinking and controlling ants almost instantly.

I can't think of any that had problems at the start or who didn't almost instantly adjust.

FatDaz wrote:No adversity doesn’t make for interesting character.

It's pretty clear the adversity is going to come from her wanting a normal life and not wanting to be a superhero, rather than the struggles Bruce went through with his alter ego.

They're going for something else rather than retreading old ground, which is great because a lot stuff they've done recently has felt quite tired. And it's clear the tone they're going for is quite different too.

FatDaz wrote:

Moggy wrote:

FatDaz wrote:I really didn’t like the opener to she hulk. The 4th wall breaking was random and seemingly out of nowhere. The Mary Sue element of her instantly being better than Bruce at everything. It’s not the female empowerment that annoys me but the fact Hollywood always takes the easy route of showing it at the expense of the male characters. It’s seemingly quicker and easier to short cut character development by just showing them better than an established male character.

They made Hulk look like a chump to get she hulk over. And what the hell was going on with the jeep? He was trying to stop it and she accelerated and he was sent flying? The hulk who could smash giant flying Alien fish things out of the air was sent flying by a car?

I don't get this.

At no point was she shown to be "better" than Bruce. It was very obvious he was holding back for the majority of the time, as shown by the split second where he got irritated and threw the rock into space. He was teaching and training her, not competing.

She very quickly learned how to control her transformation into the Hulk state. But it's established that the only reason Bruce couldn't do that is because of his mental health issues.

Other than that, what is there to learn? It's not like it takes 10 years of superhero school to learn that you are strong.

I didn’t mean better in strength powers etc. but the way she just casually did everything without breaking a sweat really irritated me.
I’ve watched the mcu but not read comics. I don’t recall it ever stating that banner has mental health issues. And presumed comic knowledge is not good story telling. She adapted so quickly to his training, could run jump etc. I’m pretty sure anyone who underwent such a radical biological change would take longer than a few days to come to terms with (I mean she grows in height that would take time to adjust to just walking!). As far as origin stories go it felt like she got an easy ride relative to the other main mcu hero’s. No adversity doesn’t make for interesting character.

And hulk has definitely been nerfed as time has gone on. That jeep scene was tragic.

The final court scene was almost parody levels of bad (I don’t know the character so maybe cheese is what she is) I mean who the hell was the spandex villain why did they burst in where did they get powers? What was the point it all felt so rushed and cheap just to show she can fight which we already knew from banner scenes.

No adversity?! How do you think she became such a strong woman, you pig.

Haven't seen a second of this beyond a few screengrabs but it's amazing that the biggest behemoth in all pop culture is producing something whose title (borrowing from Twitter here) 'sounds like a fake show from 30 Rock that Jenna Maroney would miss rehearsal to be in'. Less MCU is more but without a new show every quarter Disney's stock will die.

But is anyone going to defend my criticism about the jeep? Or that ridiculous pantomime villain at the end?

It all sounds a bit shite to me. Can’t wait to see the back of this phase man.

FatDaz wrote:But is anyone going to defend my criticism about the jeep? Or that ridiculous pantomime villain at the end?

Titania’s a bit of a pisstake by the look of it, but I’m not sure what the point about the jeep is?

I'm enjoying She Hulk so far, getting the hang of her powers a lot sooner than Hulk didn't bother me. I just want more episodes per week because it felt like it was over quickly. I think the show has potential to be a lot of fun. I expect there'll be more about Titania as the series goes on.

FatDaz wrote:But is anyone going to defend my criticism about the jeep? Or that ridiculous pantomime villain at the end?

From memory he was on top of the Jeep and was propelled forward when she braked? I'm not sure superstrength stops inertia.

The villain at the end? The second episode mentioned she was a superpowered influencer. Real world influencers are stupid enough, why would a superpowered version be normal?

I can barely remember the jeep bit.

Have to see what happens with Titania, but I'm assuming she's gonna become a client of She-Hulk.