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by Robbo-92 » Tue Jul 09, 2019 7:23 pm

Saw Spiderman Far From Home earlier today, thought it was pretty good, tempted to give Homecoming another watch now.

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by Mafro » Tue Jul 09, 2019 8:28 pm

PsychicSykes wrote:
VlaSoul wrote:i strawberry floating hate brie larson rn so her very presence in that film irked me a great deal

Why?

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by VlaSoul » Tue Jul 09, 2019 9:07 pm

PsychicSykes wrote:
VlaSoul wrote:i strawberry floating hate brie larson rn so her very presence in that film irked me a great deal

Why?

how could you not hate her

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by shy guy 64 » Tue Jul 09, 2019 9:15 pm

saw spider man thought it was awesome

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by Mafro » Tue Jul 09, 2019 9:24 pm

VlaSoul wrote:
PsychicSykes wrote:
VlaSoul wrote:i strawberry floating hate brie larson rn so her very presence in that film irked me a great deal

Why?

how could you not hate her

Because she's a really good actress who plays the role very well?

Do you have a specific reason to hate her?

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PostRe: Marvel Cinematic Universe Thread
by Tomous » Tue Jul 09, 2019 11:19 pm

Yeah, while I was ultimately disappointed by the Captain Marvel Film, Brie Larson is great.

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by Corazon de Leon » Tue Jul 09, 2019 11:22 pm

I can't really think of anyone else who would've played the role well, either. Can't see any problem with Brie Larson personally.

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by VlaSoul » Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:24 pm

Mafro wrote:
VlaSoul wrote:
PsychicSykes wrote:
VlaSoul wrote:i strawberry floating hate brie larson rn so her very presence in that film irked me a great deal

Why?

how could you not hate her

Because she's a really good actress who plays the role very well?

Do you have a specific reason to hate her?

Yeah ok "hate" is admittedly a heavily played up reaction
I do dislike her tho, I haven't seen a huge amount of films she's been in, but in the ones I have seen she's been arguably the least memorable part. This is particularly true for Endgame where in a universe of superheroes she still ends up feeling like some kind of deus ex machina who feels like she doesnt need to be in the film. I haven't seen Captain Marvel since MCU films for the most part don't interest me enough for me to want to see them until they come on sky cinema like half a year later, so maybe I'm missing context but I don't think that changes what she is in avengers.

Additionally her manner in interviews doesn't always sit well with me, like that one where she's asked what it's like to be a woman in film, and then adds a statement about coloured women, which came off as entirely disingenuous(additionally within the context of the interview it's a huge faux pas as it's a white person being interviewed by a black person, which is very typical of the kind of unconscious middle class racism that I've seen a lot of). Then of course there's the interview where she talks about a Wrinkle in Time, where while she brings up a lot of good points; she goes on to largely dismiss criticism at the film (largely levelled at the actual FILM MAKING aspect of it) because of the the prevalence of white males in film criticism. That to me, came off as a relatively privileged white woman using the very real issue of representation in industry to deflect criticism from a product she cares about, where said criticism has very little do with any facet of representation.

I'm sure her heart's in the right place, especially considering her advocacy, but she seems out of touch in a lot of ways

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by Hexx » Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:28 pm

VlaSoul wrote:the interview where she talks about a Wrinkle in Time, where while she brings up a lot of good points; she goes on to largely dismiss criticism at the film (largely levelled at the actual FILM MAKING aspect of it) because of the the prevalence of white males in film criticism. That to me, came off as a relatively privileged white woman using the very real issue of representation in industry to deflect criticism from a product she cares about, where said criticism has very little do with any facet of representation.


Which interview was that?

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PostRe: Marvel Cinematic Universe Thread
by Preezy » Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:30 pm

From what I've seen of her, she's pretty fit but comes across as a bit bland and expressionless in her performances. I'm sure she's put in some great performances, I just haven't seen them yet.

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PostRe: Marvel Cinematic Universe Thread
by Tomous » Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:31 pm

VlaSoul wrote:
Mafro wrote:
VlaSoul wrote:
PsychicSykes wrote:
VlaSoul wrote:i strawberry floating hate brie larson rn so her very presence in that film irked me a great deal

Why?

how could you not hate her

Because she's a really good actress who plays the role very well?

Do you have a specific reason to hate her?

Yeah ok "hate" is admittedly a heavily played up reaction
I do dislike her tho, I haven't seen a huge amount of films she's been in, but in the ones I have seen she's been arguably the least memorable part. This is particularly true for Endgame where in a universe of superheroes she still ends up feeling like some kind of deus ex machina who feels like she doesnt need to be in the film. I haven't seen Captain Marvel since MCU films for the most part don't interest me enough for me to want to see them until they come on sky cinema like half a year later, so maybe I'm missing context but I don't think that changes what she is in avengers.

Additionally her manner in interviews doesn't always sit well with me, like that one where she's asked what it's like to be a woman in film, and then adds a statement about coloured women, which came off as entirely disingenuous(additionally within the context of the interview it's a huge faux pas as it's a white person being interviewed by a black person, which is very typical of the kind of unconscious middle class racism that I've seen a lot of). Then of course there's the interview where she talks about a Wrinkle in Time, where while she brings up a lot of good points; she goes on to largely dismiss criticism at the film (largely levelled at the actual FILM MAKING aspect of it) because of the the prevalence of white males in film criticism. That to me, came off as a relatively privileged white woman using the very real issue of representation in industry to deflect criticism from a product she cares about, where said criticism has very little do with any facet of representation.

I'm sure her heart's in the right place, especially considering her advocacy, but she seems out of touch in a lot of ways



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by VlaSoul » Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:44 pm

Tomous wrote:
VlaSoul wrote:Additionally her manner in interviews doesn't always sit well with me, like that one where she's asked what it's like to be a woman in film, and then adds a statement about coloured women, which came off as entirely disingenuous(additionally within the context of the interview it's a huge faux pas as it's a white person being interviewed by a black person, which is very typical of the kind of unconscious middle class racism that I've seen a lot of). Then of course there's the interview where she talks about a Wrinkle in Time, where while she brings up a lot of good points; she goes on to largely dismiss criticism at the film (largely levelled at the actual FILM MAKING aspect of it) because of the the prevalence of white males in film criticism. That to me, came off as a relatively privileged white woman using the very real issue of representation in industry to deflect criticism from a product she cares about, where said criticism has very little do with any facet of representation.

I'm sure her heart's in the right place, especially considering her advocacy, but she seems out of touch in a lot of ways



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isn't that the exact phrasing she used as well?
if it wasnt; my b, I tend to forget that can be offensive so yeah I guess I am a bit out of touch

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VlaSoul wrote:the interview where she talks about a Wrinkle in Time, where while she brings up a lot of good points; she goes on to largely dismiss criticism at the film (largely levelled at the actual FILM MAKING aspect of it) because of the the prevalence of white males in film criticism. That to me, came off as a relatively privileged white woman using the very real issue of representation in industry to deflect criticism from a product she cares about, where said criticism has very little do with any facet of representation.


Which interview was that?

my mistake, not an interview
it was a speech at some awards show

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PostRe: Marvel Cinematic Universe Thread
by Tineash » Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:44 pm

Watch less Youtube.

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by Hexx » Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:45 pm

VlaSoul wrote:
Tomous wrote:
Additionally her manner in interviews doesn't always sit well with me, like that one where she's asked what it's like to be a woman in film, and then adds a statement about coloured women, which came off as entirely disingenuous(additionally within the context of the interview it's a huge faux pas as it's a white person being interviewed by a black person, which is very typical of the kind of unconscious middle class racism that I've seen a lot of). Then of course there's the interview where she talks about a Wrinkle in Time, where while she brings up a lot of good points; she goes on to largely dismiss criticism at the film (largely levelled at the actual FILM MAKING aspect of it) because of the the prevalence of white males in film criticism. That to me, came off as a relatively privileged white woman using the very real issue of representation in industry to deflect criticism from a product she cares about, where said criticism has very little do with any facet of representation.

I'm sure her heart's in the right place, especially considering her advocacy, but she seems out of touch in a lot of ways



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isn't that the exact phrasing she used as well?
if it wasnt; my b, I tend to forget that can be offensive so yeah I guess I am a bit out of touch

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VlaSoul wrote:the interview where she talks about a Wrinkle in Time, where while she brings up a lot of good points; she goes on to largely dismiss criticism at the film (largely levelled at the actual FILM MAKING aspect of it) because of the the prevalence of white males in film criticism. That to me, came off as a relatively privileged white woman using the very real issue of representation in industry to deflect criticism from a product she cares about, where said criticism has very little do with any facet of representation.


Which interview was that?

my mistake, not an interview
it was a speech at some awards show[/quote]

I'd still like to see it.

And how was she responding to critical comments if she was the only one speaking?

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by Tafdolphin » Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:45 pm

Um.

Huh.

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PostRe: Marvel Cinematic Universe Thread
by Rex Kramer » Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:47 pm

She used the phrase 'women of colour' which is quite some distance away from coloured women.

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by VlaSoul » Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:49 pm

Tineash wrote:Watch less Youtube.

i find the constant cavalcade of losers on the internet complaining about her and her film for no reason other than the fact she's a feminist and a woman as annoying as the next dude

Hexx wrote:And how was she responding to critical comments if she was the only one speaking?

it was in response to pre existing criticism


Again, I agree with a lot of what she's saying here, but parts of it come off as dismissive and at worst exploitative

also strawberry float the channel that links to is uhhhhhhhhhhhh yikes

Rex Kramer wrote:She used the phrase 'women of colour' which is quite some distance away from coloured women.

yeah ok that's my b then
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by Tafdolphin » Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:54 pm

Nothing in that speech is in anyway exploitative.

If you think that's the case then, and I genuinely mean this in the nicest, literal sense possible, please educate yourself as to why what she's saying matters. If you're using the phrase 'coloured women' interchangeably with 'women of colour'... there's some work to be done there.

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PostRe: Marvel Cinematic Universe Thread
by Hexx » Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:54 pm

VlaSoul wrote:
Tineash wrote:Watch less Youtube.

i find the constant cavalcade of losers on the internet complaining about her and her film for no reason other than the fact she's a feminist and a woman as annoying as the next dude

Hexx wrote:And how was she responding to critical comments if she was the only one speaking?

it was in response to pre existing criticism


Again, I agree with a lot of what she's saying here, but parts of it come off as dismissive and at worst exploitative

also strawberry float the channel that links to is uhhhhhhhhhhhh yikes

Rex Kramer wrote:She used the phrase 'women of colour' which is quite some distance away from coloured women.

yeah ok that's my b then
apologies


So rather than going into thanks friends, family, she raises a social issues?

Where (timestamp) is her trying to dismiss criticism? Or even respond to criticism? The closet you get is

“I don’t want to hear what a white man has to say about ‘A Wrinkle in Time.’ I want to hear what a woman of color, a biracial woman has to say about the film. I want to hear what teenagers think about the film.”

“If you make a movie that is a love letter to women of color, there is a chance that a woman of color does not have access to review and critique your film,” she said, while revealing plans to roll out an opt-in program that will provide studios with access to underrepresented journalists and critics. “Do not say the talent is not there, because it is.”

Larson commended Women in Film for having diverse representations on the carpet at the ceremony, while challenging “decision-makers” in the room to make an effort to create a more inclusive industry both on and off-screen.

She concluded with a challenge to publicists and decision-makers in the room, encouraging them to revisit their press line and junket invites to ensure they are inclusive of underrepresented journalists. “Please make sure that these invites and credentials find their way to more underrepresented journalists and critics, many of whom are freelancers.”


(Quoted from an article not that strawberry floating channel)

And it doesn't actually mention whether the review she's not interested in was positive or negative was it?

(I don't have sound so I'm relying on auto-gened CC and other websites)

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PostRe: Marvel Cinematic Universe Thread
by Hexx » Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:56 pm

VlaSoul wrote:i find the constant cavalcade of losers on the internet complaining about her and her film for no reason other than the fact she's a feminist and a woman as annoying as the next dude


But you're pretty much repeating lots of the exact same talking points as they are? :?


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