[MCU Thread] Endgame

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by Skarjo » Tue Mar 12, 2019 9:36 am

See, I can actually see Endgame being very Marvel centric. Most of the other characters are so weakened and desolate that Endgame basically being Marvel going head to head with Thanos, getting beaten, getting back up and finally triumphing would actually make for a half decent movie. It's not like the other characters really need that much more story either.

Plus, it would be strawberry floating INCREDIBLE to watch the whiny white boy meltdown that would cause.

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by Corazon de Leon » Tue Mar 12, 2019 4:36 pm

Skarjo wrote:Saw it last Friday, so forgive me if I'm a little cloudy on a couple of plot details but it was.... fine?

It was perfectly enjoyable, and I'm also going to be upfront that most of my criticisms only came to me chatting with my mates after the movie. Whilst I was on the ride I was having great fun. But a gooseberry fool ton of stuff happened, particularly in the finale, where I started to think 'Wait, what?'.

First, I didn't think Larson was particularly great. She was quite flat and didn't have the charm to pull off such a snarky character, and I thought her interactions with Jackson were often really poor. Or, if not poor, at least underwhelming. Loads of the funny moments fell really flat too.

But the things that annoyed me were less to do with Larson and more to do with the writing, particularly because is didn't work that well as an origin story. Hands up, I had no idea who Captain Marvel was going in to the cinema. Knew none of the backstory or the comic lore or anything, so I went in completely blind. Problem was, my understanding of her character was pretty much the same ten minutes in compared to my understanding at the end. If anything, I had less understanding at the end than I did at the beginning.
Like, during the training montages with Jude Law and he's doing all the 'let go of your emotions' kinda thing and I thought 'right, this will go one of two ways - it's playing on the 'Women are too emotional to be powerful' thing and she'll learn to control her feelings (which would be dumb, because that just reinforces the bad stereotype of women being too emotional) or 'Actually her emotions are the source of her power' which it....sorta does? But she doesn't realise this as part of character development and embrace it as a character moment, it's just 'Nah you got a maguffin in yo strawberry floatin head' and she pulls it out. That's not character development just plot gubbins.

Then at the climax, there's that weird montage of moments of her standing up in defiance of all the men telling her that she's a girl and doesn't belong there and I thought 'Wait, what?'. Are you trying to tell me that the theme of the movie is that she's not 'Just a Girl' and, No Doubt about that, but when was that ever the theme of the movie? The clips were all flashbacks to well before she was an established kickass fighter pilot which showed that she'd already overcome all the men telling her to stay down, and none of the interactions with the male characters in the movie are framed like that. Jude Law never belittled her for being a woman, Jackson seemed to treat her as a formidable equal, as did her friend and mentor. Like, none of the actual movie plots revolved around her being dismissed as being inferior as a woman, so why do we care that she's standing up against those expectations? She's been doing that all movie, and established that she was doing that before the plot kicked off, sooooo it's never part of her character?

So as an origin story it was lacking. It didn't make me understand her character, it just told me who she was in the first ten minutes, and then sent her on an adventure. She's exactly the same at the end of the movie, character wise, as she is at the beginning. I mean, compare that to Iron Man, who starts off as a billionaire arms dealer ignorant to the effects of his trade who gets humbled and then sees the impact of his lifestyle and uses his resources and wealth for good. Dr Strange is an arrogant selfish surgeon bastard who gets humbled by the loss of his hands and finds deeper meaning on his journey to reclaim them. Ant Man is a feckless loser who gets a chance at redemption through using his skills to help rather than steal and in the process gets his life back on track and gets his daughter back.

Carol Danvers is a kickass soldier and awesome pilot with no memory and finds out that her dreams are real and before she lost her memory she was actually.... a kickass soldier and awesome pilot. Oh, but in the process she basically becomes a God, which must be nice for her. So at the very end of the origin story of someone who's being introduced as a foil to the main villain of the last decade of films and our last bit of information is 'all the rules we've just established have changed and so now you have no idea what this character can do going into the biggest film of the entire franchise'. I think that's what annoyed me the most, the movie was meant to be an origin film for a pretty niche characters and the only thing we can take into Endgame is 'I have no idea what this character can do now, and so I have no idea what the stakes are now'.

Soundtrack was good though.


To pick you up in one minor thing and out myself as the worst kind of internet person - Ant-Man has a masters in electrical engineering, and went to jail after his previous(high level) job for essentially doing a Robin Hood - redistributing wealth from the company to customers who had been short changed. Not so much of a feckless loser

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PostRe: [MCU Thread] Spider-Man: Far From Home trailer p241
by Return_of_the_STAR » Tue Mar 12, 2019 6:19 pm

Hopefully will get to see Captain marvel in the next couple of days. I hate waiting as all I see if articles popping up on Google or various websites discussing the film or how it impacts on Endgame, ties in with other films but I can't read them then by the time I've seen the film I will struggle to find them.

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PostRe: [MCU Thread] Spider-Man: Far From Home trailer p241
by Denster » Tue Mar 12, 2019 8:41 pm

I strongly disagree that there's no character arc at all. She isn't the same person at the end of the film as she is at the start. It's a very pat description to suggest that. The origin story is just fine differently and for me that helps to convey her disjointed conceit if herself and the frustration she feels at bring held back. Happy to agree to disagree but what some have taken from the film is different to mine. Different opinions and all that.
Agree wholeheartedly with your last statement Skarjo - that meltdown would be a thing to behold.

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PostRe: [MCU Thread] Spider-Man: Far From Home trailer p241
by Denster » Tue Mar 12, 2019 8:44 pm

Bearing in mind - we are clearly entering Denny likes something and argues with everyone who doesn't like it as much as he does' territory.


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PostRe: [MCU Thread] Spider-Man: Far From Home trailer p241
by Skarjo » Wed Mar 13, 2019 1:57 am

Denster wrote:Bearing in mind - we are clearly entering Denny likes something and argues with everyone who doesn't like it as much as he does' territory.


:oops: :oops:


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PostRe: [MCU Thread] Spider-Man: Far From Home trailer p241
by Denster » Wed Mar 13, 2019 10:06 am

I have insight.

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PostRe: [MCU Thread] Spider-Man: Far From Home trailer p241
by Photek » Wed Mar 13, 2019 3:21 pm

I really enjoyed it tbh, She's OP as fook but I think that was ok for my daughter to see.

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PostRe: [MCU Thread] Spider-Man: Far From Home trailer p241
by abcd » Wed Mar 13, 2019 3:39 pm

I enjoyed the film very much, however, my biggest concern was....

Are there any other cats/furkin(sp) in the other films that we should be worried out?

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PostRe: [MCU Thread] Spider-Man: Far From Home trailer p241
by Godzilla » Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:51 pm


Wish my image sig would work
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by Hexx » Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:54 pm

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by Dual » Thu Mar 14, 2019 1:16 pm

Captain America front and center as he should be.

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PostRe: [MCU Thread] Spider-Man: Far From Home trailer p241
by Hexx » Thu Mar 14, 2019 1:17 pm

We knew he'd get the shield back (in either an awesome "Oh yeah!" moment or one that hits the feels) but I wish it wasn't on poster

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PostRe: [MCU Thread] Spider-Man: Far From Home trailer p241
by Return_of_the_STAR » Thu Mar 14, 2019 1:42 pm

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Does this spoil anything from captain marvel, going to see it later. I know she going to be in endgame so her appearing in the trailer won’t be a surprise but wasn’t sure of it’s content.

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PostRe: [MCU Thread] Spider-Man: Far From Home trailer p241
by Hexx » Thu Mar 14, 2019 1:48 pm

Also I'm not a fan of cheering/clapping in cinemas but I'm going to go WILD when they inevitable "Avengers Assemble" cry is let out.

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PostRe: [MCU Thread] Spider-Man: Far From Home trailer p241
by abcd » Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:19 pm

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:
Godzilla wrote:


Does this spoil anything from captain marvel, going to see it later. I know she going to be in endgame so her appearing in the trailer won’t be a surprise but wasn’t sure of it’s content.


Don't watch it

Also, regarding the trailer, I'm so glad that the Avengers costume designer wasn't part of the snap.

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PostRe: [MCU Thread] Spider-Man: Far From Home trailer p241
by That's not a growth » Thu Mar 14, 2019 4:28 pm

Trailer spoilers

So Thor has his hammer. Time travel shenanigans?

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by Hexx » Thu Mar 14, 2019 4:29 pm

That's not a growth wrote:Trailer spoilers

So Thor has his hammer. Time travel shenanigans?


That's Stormbreaker, the new weapon from Infinity War

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PostRe: [MCU Thread] Spider-Man: Far From Home trailer p241
by That's not a growth » Thu Mar 14, 2019 4:33 pm

Well that's what I get for watching it on my phone.

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PostRe: [MCU Thread] Avengers: Endgame trailer 2 p246
by Denster » Thu Mar 14, 2019 4:55 pm

Thor doesn't have his hammer. I have it.


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