ME3; Story Discussion *New ending content announced pg37*

Tragic Magic wrote:Oh my God, just done Tuchanka. The single, most amazing choice I've ever had to make in an RPG.

I just killed Mordin, one of my best friends, so that I could sabotage the genophage cure. Not only did I kill my friend, I've lied to countless others in the hope that this act of betrayal will give the whole universe a stronger chance of survival. I feel torn inside but I feel I did the right thing.

I just can't stop thinking about what I've done. It's absolutely incredible. I just, I can't believe it. This is the most amazing trilogy ever. I hope there are more decisions like this as it's just amazing.

Mordin, I'm so sorry

The thing is now, after making this terrible decision, I'll probably be more ruthless if anyone else stands in my way later on in the game. Like I've past that moral point in my brain now, I've done awful things and there's no turning back.

Nothing will stop me from saving the galaxy now.

Also, really hoping I get the girl in this one. I didn't get it on with anyone in ME1 or ME2 when I replayed through them last month so I'm feeling sad and lonely. Want to get with Liara. Turned her down in the first game but now I love her

You bastard.

Tragic Magic wrote:Also, really hoping I get the girl in this one. I didn't get it on with anyone in ME1 or ME2 when I replayed through them last month so I'm feeling sad and lonely. Want to get with Liara. Turned her down in the first game but now I love her

The only person you can with in this is Mordin. Unlucky.

Have people not done both a Paragon and Renegade play through?

In my Renegade world, Wreav was in charge and I had no problem strawberry floating him over. I didn't realise at the time that it would be at the expense of Mordin but that couldn't be helped.

Also, Mordin dies regardless of what choice I made. Someone said he can survive?

I started doing a renegade runthrough of 2, but it was less "cool badass" and more "Shep's a bit of a dick" so I kinda gave up. From what I've heard it's worse in 3 (gunning down Mordin to stop him from using the cure, for example).

I don't think I could bring myself to play through the whole franchise as a rengade if there was no Wrex.

I heard that Mordin can live if Wrex doesn't exist in your game - if you iced him in ME1. Not sure if that's true though.

Buffalo wrote:I heard that Mordin can live if Wrex doesn't exist in your game - if you iced him in ME1. Not sure if that's true though.

Pretty sure that's true.

I think the only way to convince Mordin to sabotage the cure and live is if Bakara dies and Wreav is clan leader, since then there's nobody to keep him in check.

Bertie wrote:

Buffalo wrote:Added to forum rules.

I like it! It was a genuine 'what do I do moment'. The whole chapter is based upon deceiving the krogan and then mordin throws the curve ball.. Save the galaxy or save mordin, I shot him! I regretted and it actually had an emotional impact, staggering really.

I let Mordin sacrifice himself to implement the cure, it was rather emotional leaving him as he sang the Gillbert & Sullivan opera he used to on the ship. His name is on the ship memorial now, I stood there and Garrus chatted about him.

I haven't finished the game yet, I'm just at Thessia now, but the story so far has been wonderful - the new Quarain and Geth co-existence on the homeworld as Legion too sacrificed himself for his people was another chocking moment.

The ending will have to be utterly terrible to spoil this, I am rather hopeful I won't find it too bad....

jimbojango wrote:

Bertie wrote:

Buffalo wrote:Added to forum rules.

I like it! It was a genuine 'what do I do moment'. The whole chapter is based upon deceiving the krogan and then mordin throws the curve ball.. Save the galaxy or save mordin, I shot him! I regretted and it actually had an emotional impact, staggering really.

I let Mordin sacrifice himself to implement the cure, it was rather emotional leaving him as he sang the Gillbert & Sullivan opera he used to on the ship. His name is on the ship memorial now, I stood there and Garrus chatted about him.

I haven't finished the game yet, I'm just at Thessia now, but the story so far has been wonderful - the new Quarain and Geth co-existence on the homeworld as Legion too sacrificed himself for his people was another chocking moment.

The ending will have to be utterly terrible to spoil this, I am rather hopeful I won't find it too bad....

I think I was pretty much exactly where you are, so many great moments and some decisions that really made you think and consider what you wanted. The first 90% of the game is the peak of the series, but where mass effect 2 builds well, 3 literally falls flat on its face!

Sorry!

Bertie wrote:

jimbojango wrote:

Bertie wrote:

Buffalo wrote:Added to forum rules.

I like it! It was a genuine 'what do I do moment'. The whole chapter is based upon deceiving the krogan and then mordin throws the curve ball.. Save the galaxy or save mordin, I shot him! I regretted and it actually had an emotional impact, staggering really.

I let Mordin sacrifice himself to implement the cure, it was rather emotional leaving him as he sang the Gillbert & Sullivan opera he used to on the ship. His name is on the ship memorial now, I stood there and Garrus chatted about him.

I haven't finished the game yet, I'm just at Thessia now, but the story so far has been wonderful - the new Quarain and Geth co-existence on the homeworld as Legion too sacrificed himself for his people was another chocking moment.

The ending will have to be utterly terrible to spoil this, I am rather hopeful I won't find it too bad....

I think I was pretty much exactly where you are, so many great moments and some decisions that really made you think and consider what you wanted. The first 90% of the game is the peak of the series, but where mass effect 2 builds well, 3 literally falls flat on its face!

Sorry!

Hmm, if it is that bad I shall consider not completing it until the new extra ending stuff comes out. My only concern is that I don't know how long to wait and I have to keep pawing at my iphone at work to keep my "Galactic Readiness" up like some kind of conditioned monkey.

I can't wait to get to the end. Just to see what all the fuss is about. The game and story is just so amazing at the minute I can't understand how it could all be so crap at the end.

Tragic Magic wrote:I can't wait to get to the end. Just to see what all the fuss is about. The game and story is just so amazing at the minute I can't understand how it could all be so crap at the end.

I'm curious what the reaction of you guys will be once you do reach the ending. I do love the game, despite it's flaws, i do love seeing the sheer destruction that the Reapers have caused to some of the major homeworlds.

Anyway, say what you will about the ending but to their credit, the discussions on the last couple of pages show that some of your decisions from previous game do have an effect on what happens in ME3.

I did think it was blown out of proportion, until I got there! I too would be interested in your reaction.

I played it through once, have done 1 and 2 since, and am now waiting for the new ending.

I got a free copy of this on the 360 the other day. I was going to sell it seeing as I played it on ps3 already but considering how amazing it was I might do a 360 play through as well.

Well, see, that's why we're all so pissed off - the game is indeed incredible, but the last several minutes are so bad, they sour the *entire* thing.
That's what makes it bad - not the ending per se, just the fact that it ruins all before it. And when I say all, we're talking 3 games worth.

My 2 problems with the ending is firstly that it presents the character with something that is quite left field and unexpected. Something that was never hinted at at all throughout the rest of the games. Its kind of like those episodes of Dr Who or Star Trek where you get 44 minutes of fairly interesting building story and then 1 minute of timey whimey super doomsday device type thing that concludes the story abruptly and with little to no explanation.

And secondly, yes throughout the game you do see consequences of your actions from previous games, but we have the galactic readiness system, that kind of facelessly numerates that whole process and generates a single general outcome choice that is implied to perhaps supersede any conclusion to stories that you have already perceived. It would be good to see a few final conclusions to the storylines in that animal house (?) style prologue.

The multiplayer is deceptively good though.

I wouldn't go as far to say that the other two games are soured by the ending of 3.

I didn't care much for 1 in the first place and ME2 remains one of the greatest games ever made in my opinion.

Zellery wrote:I wouldn't go as far to say that the other two games are soured by the ending of 3.

I didn't care much for 1 in the first place and ME2 remains one of the greatest games ever made in my opinion.

I'd go with that, and I think 3 continues where 2 left off very nicely (apart from the quest tracking). 2 builds very well and the end to 2, I especially enjoyed, (especially when I lost characters rather than doing the perfect run, which I fluked first time).

I've never been so dissapointed and encountered a bigger anticlimax. It builds well, then starts to go down hill in London, the missile launch is pretty bad, and then we got those final scenes! There is no getting away from the fact it taints the game massively, and impacts the series!

Anung wrote:My plan was to start again once I finished and go through all the games and DLC with one perfect character but the ending to 3 has killed any will to do that cause I know in the end it means nothing.

Alarms bells started ringing for me when the character import was borked. Having to finish the game with a shitty imitation of a character I made in 2007 cut me deep.

Christ, I didn't realise my Shepard was that old. Hurts even more the way he was sent off.

I really want to see how these guys react to the ending. It's like when we heard about people playing Demon's souls for the first time: It never gets old.

Yes the ending is awful in the game, but for me that isn't the only reason why it's the weakest in the series. In fact the ending seems to have dominated all the chat about this game, however the other issues seems to have been all but ignored by all in the various podcasts and forum posts that I've listed to/read recently.

The game is clumsy compared to it's predecessors. The quest system is laughably bad. The fact that you have to stumble upon side quests by overhearing conversations is awful. The fact that there is no indication to a majority of where to complete these side quests is awful. The quest tracking system is awful. The fact that many NPC characters hang around at the same location going around in a sound loop until you interrupt them, many hours later, saying you have what they need is clumsy and awful.
Don't get me started on the revamped and pitifully bad system scanning mechanic.

The game has two great sections in in but that's it as far as I'm concerned - Tuchunka and Rannoch. That's it.

For the life of me I can't see how gamers can state that this game is incredible. It's not. For me it's not only the weakest in the series but it's Bioware's worst game yet. Even worse than Dragon Age II, and that's before the bloody woeful ending.
For me it's certainly one of the most disappointing experiences this generation.

I'm talking more about the fact that (assuming everyone beat the Reapers and everything carried on) Wrex and Bakara don't want to cure the genophage for the sole purpose of taking revenge on the galaxy, unlike Wreav, who specifically says he wants to do just that.