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jawafour wrote:I have to admit that I think we're rushing towards a "download only" gaming landscape. I had thought that the Switch was going to be download-only (Capcom thinks it actually is) and I do wonder if physical games for next-gen consoles will be some kind of extra-expense option rather than standard.
BID0 wrote:OrangeRKN wrote:The CD and DVD argument is only meant to demonstrate that even in a digital dominated market, there is enough demand for physical media to be profitable.
Not really. CD sales have been down year on year for sometime. I think Vinyl is ahead of it now in terms of sales.
Same story for DVD and BluRay. It's hard to buy the blank media these days and manufacturers are beginning to end production on the players.
OrangeRKN wrote:BID0 wrote:OrangeRKN wrote:The CD and DVD argument is only meant to demonstrate that even in a digital dominated market, there is enough demand for physical media to be profitable.
Not really. CD sales have been down year on year for sometime. I think Vinyl is ahead of it now in terms of sales.
Same story for DVD and BluRay. It's hard to buy the blank media these days and manufacturers are beginning to end production on the players.
Granted I don't know much at all about sales figures and manufacturing, but when I go to buy a new album or film they keep getting released. Isn't that evidence of profitability? Why else would new releases keep appearing?
Moggy wrote:I agree with Gemini. The next gen will offer disc drives but I think after that consoles will be download/stream only.
OrangeRKN wrote:BID0 wrote:OrangeRKN wrote:The CD and DVD argument is only meant to demonstrate that even in a digital dominated market, there is enough demand for physical media to be profitable.
Not really. CD sales have been down year on year for sometime. I think Vinyl is ahead of it now in terms of sales.
Same story for DVD and BluRay. It's hard to buy the blank media these days and manufacturers are beginning to end production on the players.
Granted I don't know much at all about sales figures and manufacturing, but when I go to buy a new album or film they keep getting released. Isn't that evidence of profitability? Why else would new releases keep appearing?
BID0 wrote:[Video Games don't have that luxury as the vast majority of consumers buy games digitally these days (which is increasing year on year) and the creators don't want physical media either.
NickSCFC wrote:Moggy wrote:I agree with Gemini. The next gen will offer disc drives but I think after that consoles will be download/stream only.
Do we technically need a generation after the next?
I've been watching videos of Resident Evil 2 and DMC V running on Pro/X/PC on YouTube and wondering if games need to look any better? It's already becoming ridiculous with 5 year development lifecycles.
Moggy wrote:OrangeRKN wrote:BID0 wrote:OrangeRKN wrote:The CD and DVD argument is only meant to demonstrate that even in a digital dominated market, there is enough demand for physical media to be profitable.
Not really. CD sales have been down year on year for sometime. I think Vinyl is ahead of it now in terms of sales.
Same story for DVD and BluRay. It's hard to buy the blank media these days and manufacturers are beginning to end production on the players.
Granted I don't know much at all about sales figures and manufacturing, but when I go to buy a new album or film they keep getting released. Isn't that evidence of profitability? Why else would new releases keep appearing?
In 3500BC, Ugg the Caveman proclaimed that his stone circle business would last forever. “They just finished Stonehenge!” he exclaimed “Stone circles keep appearing, surely that’s evidence that we will be building stone circles forever?”
Gemini73 wrote:Moggy wrote:OrangeRKN wrote:BID0 wrote:OrangeRKN wrote:The CD and DVD argument is only meant to demonstrate that even in a digital dominated market, there is enough demand for physical media to be profitable.
Not really. CD sales have been down year on year for sometime. I think Vinyl is ahead of it now in terms of sales.
Same story for DVD and BluRay. It's hard to buy the blank media these days and manufacturers are beginning to end production on the players.
Granted I don't know much at all about sales figures and manufacturing, but when I go to buy a new album or film they keep getting released. Isn't that evidence of profitability? Why else would new releases keep appearing?
In 3500BC, Ugg the Caveman proclaimed that his stone circle business would last forever. “They just finished Stonehenge!” he exclaimed “Stone circles keep appearing, surely that’s evidence that we will be building stone circles forever?”
As funny as that was to read there's so much truth to it. You'll find the vast majority clinging onto physical media are of a certain age group and who refuse to let go.
However, I look to my children and their social groups and the demand for physical based media isn't a thing at all. To quote ny Fortnite loving daughter "I saw Fornite in a box for sale today Daddy. Who would want that when it's free on the Internet?"
I rest my case.
Moggy wrote:In 3500BC, Ugg the Caveman proclaimed that his stone circle business would last forever. “They just finished Stonehenge!” he exclaimed “Stone circles keep appearing, surely that’s evidence that we will be building stone circles forever?”
Moggy wrote:Gemini73 wrote:Moggy wrote:OrangeRKN wrote:BID0 wrote:OrangeRKN wrote:The CD and DVD argument is only meant to demonstrate that even in a digital dominated market, there is enough demand for physical media to be profitable.
Not really. CD sales have been down year on year for sometime. I think Vinyl is ahead of it now in terms of sales.
Same story for DVD and BluRay. It's hard to buy the blank media these days and manufacturers are beginning to end production on the players.
Granted I don't know much at all about sales figures and manufacturing, but when I go to buy a new album or film they keep getting released. Isn't that evidence of profitability? Why else would new releases keep appearing?
In 3500BC, Ugg the Caveman proclaimed that his stone circle business would last forever. “They just finished Stonehenge!” he exclaimed “Stone circles keep appearing, surely that’s evidence that we will be building stone circles forever?”
As funny as that was to read there's so much truth to it. You'll find the vast majority clinging onto physical media are of a certain age group and who refuse to let go.
However, I look to my children and their social groups and the demand for physical based media isn't a thing at all. To quote ny Fortnite loving daughter "I saw Fornite in a box for sale today Daddy. Who would want that when it's free on the Internet?"
I rest my case.
She says that now but in 5 to 10 years she will be a cassette tape loving hipster that “just wants to feel something real”.
Gemini73 wrote:You'll find the vast majority clinging onto physical media are of a certain age group and who refuse to let go.
Moggy wrote:NickSCFC wrote:Moggy wrote:I agree with Gemini. The next gen will offer disc drives but I think after that consoles will be download/stream only.
Do we technically need a generation after the next?
I've been watching videos of Resident Evil 2 and DMC V running on Pro/X/PC on YouTube and wondering if games need to look any better? It's already becoming ridiculous with 5 year development lifecycles.
I am pretty sure people were saying that 10 years ago.
Until games look identical to real life, then we will continue to have new technology to make our games prettier. And when they reach absolute photo realism, we will have another gen for virtual reality systems that plug directly into your brain.
There is too much money to be made from new hardware for them to just stop.
I think we might see a more mobile phone style generation system where thinks are backwards and forwards compatible though.
OrangeRKN wrote:Gemini73 wrote:You'll find the vast majority clinging onto physical media are of a certain age group and who refuse to let go.
Sure, but while those people are alive and have money to spend, why wouldn't the market cater to them? It's otherwise money left on the table.
NickSCFC wrote:Moggy wrote:NickSCFC wrote:Moggy wrote:I agree with Gemini. The next gen will offer disc drives but I think after that consoles will be download/stream only.
Do we technically need a generation after the next?
I've been watching videos of Resident Evil 2 and DMC V running on Pro/X/PC on YouTube and wondering if games need to look any better? It's already becoming ridiculous with 5 year development lifecycles.
I am pretty sure people were saying that 10 years ago.
Until games look identical to real life, then we will continue to have new technology to make our games prettier. And when they reach absolute photo realism, we will have another gen for virtual reality systems that plug directly into your brain.
There is too much money to be made from new hardware for them to just stop.
I think we might see a more mobile phone style generation system where thinks are backwards and forwards compatible though.
How will these games be developed though? There's been too many developers this generation that haven't been able to keep up and have gone out of business.
Will these "identical to real life" games be a rarity the likes of Naughty Dog and a select few can provide.
We're already seeing development cycles of 5 years or more thanks to the pain-staking detail in games these days.
Moggy wrote:NickSCFC wrote:Moggy wrote:NickSCFC wrote:Moggy wrote:I agree with Gemini. The next gen will offer disc drives but I think after that consoles will be download/stream only.
Do we technically need a generation after the next?
I've been watching videos of Resident Evil 2 and DMC V running on Pro/X/PC on YouTube and wondering if games need to look any better? It's already becoming ridiculous with 5 year development lifecycles.
I am pretty sure people were saying that 10 years ago.
Until games look identical to real life, then we will continue to have new technology to make our games prettier. And when they reach absolute photo realism, we will have another gen for virtual reality systems that plug directly into your brain.
There is too much money to be made from new hardware for them to just stop.
I think we might see a more mobile phone style generation system where thinks are backwards and forwards compatible though.
How will these games be developed though? There's been too many developers this generation that haven't been able to keep up and have gone out of business.
Will these "identical to real life" games be a rarity the likes of Naughty Dog and a select few can provide.
We're already seeing development cycles of 5 years or more thanks to the pain-staking detail in games these days.
People were saying the same thing about development time and resources 15 years ago.
Technology and improvements in graphics are not going to stop anytime soon. If Sony announces the PS5 or PS6 is the last ever one, then Microsoft will capitalise by continuing to realise more powerful consoles. Which will force Sony to make the PS7.
OrangeRKN wrote:As much as Ugg sounds like an upstanding gent, this isn't analogous to what I said at all. I'm saying that right now physical releases appear to be profitable because right now they are still being produced and released.
Gemini73 wrote:OrangeRKN wrote:Gemini73 wrote:You'll find the vast majority clinging onto physical media are of a certain age group and who refuse to let go.
Sure, but while those people are alive and have money to spend, why wouldn't the market cater to them? It's otherwise money left on the table.
Because this industry knows those same people, (the majority at least), for all their harping on about "physical forever, digital never" will still pour money into video games even without a physical option.
The games industry can afford to lose a few stubborn folk along the way.
NickSCFC wrote:BID0 wrote:[Video Games don't have that luxury as the vast majority of consumers buy games digitally these days (which is increasing year on year) and the creators don't want physical media either.
Is that globally or just the UK?
NickSCFC wrote:Moggy wrote:I agree with Gemini. The next gen will offer disc drives but I think after that consoles will be download/stream only.
Do we technically need a generation after the next?
I've been watching videos of Resident Evil 2 and DMC V running on Pro/X/PC on YouTube and wondering if games need to look any better? It's already becoming ridiculous with 5 year development lifecycles.