MMAYAV 2 Spectator Thread- Identities in OP

[Clarkman]

So I don't understand, how was it that Vallerie was killed? Why are we thinking it was rigged? Did someone claim vote rigger? I feel like I've missed something.

This feels like deliberate diversion. Strange that Roy would follow up immediately after to confirm this nonsense.

Feeling reasonably sure that Lucy is Parksey.

Also suspicious of Henry Armitage as the most inactive version of active possible.

[Clarkman]

Once our deaths are announced, I would be pleasantly surprised if anyone in the thread takes the effort to investigate my posts at all. Not much apparent willingness to do any detective work at present.

[Sprouty]

Once our deaths are announced, I would be pleasantly surprised if anyone in the thread takes the effort to investigate my posts at all. Not much apparent willingness to do any detective work at present.

I posted links to everyones post history for that very reason. I would love to see these games run without PMs, they definitely hold back a lot of public debate.

[The Count]

Odetta was a vamp last game too

Clarkman - I too was part of Susanna's cult (she's not done well to pick long lasting recruits has she? ) When Mori confirmed that you were Hoot i.e. Hoot had died, I wondered if perhaps you were the head of the Vampire worshippers.

Mori - why is it that the thread aren't yet aware we're dead?

Also, who is Valerie?

No idea who Valerie is. I caught that too.

They'll find your bodies shortly while investigating.

[Clarkman]

Let's see if the thread picks up on the fact vampires get 2 kills a night but only managed one kill (because I was targeted twice).

[The Count]

They're right about the game deadline being 9AM 23rd December by the way.

Bonus information for the deceased- One of the players is the elder god Nyarlathotep. If he's alive at the time of the eclipse, the game ends and he alone wins. Because the world is over.

[Clarkman]

They're right about the game deadline being 9AM 23rd December by the way.

Bonus information for the deceased- One of the players is the elder god Nyarlathotep. If he's alive at the time of the eclipse, the game ends and he alone wins. Because the world is over.

Interesting role to play for sure, assuming that the Elder God is the one who killed me. Are you not going to confirm in thread that Dan and I were human? Or is that taken as a given unless otherwise specified?

[The Count]

They're right about the game deadline being 9AM 23rd December by the way.

Bonus information for the deceased- One of the players is the elder god Nyarlathotep. If he's alive at the time of the eclipse, the game ends and he alone wins. Because the world is over.

Interesting role to play for sure, assuming that the Elder God is the one who killed me. Are you not going to confirm in thread that Dan and I were human? Or is that taken as a given unless otherwise specified?

There are two players who have the ability to check the role name of the deceased and the role name of what killed them. I only confirm if a lynchee is a vamp or not.

[The Count]

Guys- your assistence please:

Someone with the special ability to check if other players are using a special ability used it last night on someone using their special ability. They then PMd them against the rules asking what the ability was.

Person B then informed me and obviously feels they have to use their special ability on person A now when they wouldn't have before. I'm leaning towards godkilling person A and reassigning the power to another human player.

You think this is a fair result?

[Clarkman]

Guys- your assistence please:

Someone with the special ability to check if other players are using a special ability used it last night on someone using their special ability. They then PMd them against the rules asking what the ability was.

Person B then informed me and obviously feels they have to use their special ability on person A now when they wouldn't have before. I'm leaning towards godkilling person A and reassigning the power to another human player.

You think this is a fair result?

Tough one. Feels likely that person A wasn't doing it maliciously/deviantly, but either forgot the rule or thought that the success of their night action bypassed it. Godkilling is obviously the most extreme measure you can take, and you've been lenient on what feel like equivalent rule breaks in the thread (e.g. posting from wrong account/speculating on player identities).

Is there an alternative punishment to a straight up Godkill? Such as Player A's ability being frozen for 2-3 days? Or frozen until they earn it back through some in thread mechanic?

[The Count]

The problem is that now person B knows that person A is very likely a confirmed human with a special role because that's a hell of a risk to take otherwise.

I don't think there's a way around it.

[Herdanos]

Guys- your assistence please:

Someone with the special ability to check if other players are using a special ability used it last night on someone using their special ability. They then PMd them against the rules asking what the ability was.

Person B then informed me and obviously feels they have to use their special ability on person A now when they wouldn't have before. I'm leaning towards godkilling person A and reassigning the power to another human player.

You think this is a fair result?

Sorry, I don't follow - which person is A and which is B? And why does B feel like they now have to use their ability on A - I'm presuming that B's ability is to kill so they have to kill A to preserve their own position?

[The Count]

Guys- your assistence please:

Someone with the special ability to check if other players are using a special ability used it last night on someone using their special ability. They then PMd them against the rules asking what the ability was.

Person B then informed me and obviously feels they have to use their special ability on person A now when they wouldn't have before. I'm leaning towards godkilling person A and reassigning the power to another human player.

You think this is a fair result?

Sorry, I don't follow - which person is A and which is B? And why does B feel like they now have to use their ability on A - I'm presuming that B's ability is to kill so they have to kill A to preserve their own position?

Person A- The ability to see if someone is using an ability
Person B- Your old friend the charismatic preacher.

[Herdanos]

OK I follow now - I think the fairest result here is that B gets to convert A as a freebie and A loses their previous power as a punishment for breaking the rules. That way B's position isn't compromised due to A's erection, the basics of game fairness are maintained (villager breaks a key rule - village punished through net loss of a useful role) but A isn't too badly done by (as the only other fair option is to godkill, and I'm sure A would rather stay in the game as a different role than be removed altogether)

[The Count]

OK I follow now - I think the fairest result here is that B gets to convert A as a freebie and A loses their previous power as a punishment for breaking the rules. That way B's position isn't compromised due to A's erection, the basics of game fairness are maintained (villager breaks a key rule - village punished through net loss of a useful role) but A isn't too badly done by (as the only other fair option is to godkill, and I'm sure A would rather stay in the game as a different role than be removed altogether)

B still knows that A is not a vamp though surely?

[Clarkman]

OK I follow now - I think the fairest result here is that B gets to convert A as a freebie and A loses their previous power as a punishment for breaking the rules. That way B's position isn't compromised due to A's erection, the basics of game fairness are maintained (villager breaks a key rule - village punished through net loss of a useful role) but A isn't too badly done by (as the only other fair option is to godkill, and I'm sure A would rather stay in the game as a different role than be removed altogether)

B still knows that A is not a vamp though surely?

With the extra clarity, I'd say that Dan's suggestion is optimal, but B should be given the option. If they do recruit A at the expense of A's power being stripped, B should lose their usual recruit this evening, should they live through the day.

[Herdanos]

OK I follow now - I think the fairest result here is that B gets to convert A as a freebie and A loses their previous power as a punishment for breaking the rules. That way B's position isn't compromised due to A's erection, the basics of game fairness are maintained (villager breaks a key rule - village punished through net loss of a useful role) but A isn't too badly done by (as the only other fair option is to godkill, and I'm sure A would rather stay in the game as a different role than be removed altogether)

B still knows that A is not a vamp though surely?

But once they're aligned that is a given.
Unless the cults cross factions?

[The Count]

OK I follow now - I think the fairest result here is that B gets to convert A as a freebie and A loses their previous power as a punishment for breaking the rules. That way B's position isn't compromised due to A's erection, the basics of game fairness are maintained (villager breaks a key rule - village punished through net loss of a useful role) but A isn't too badly done by (as the only other fair option is to godkill, and I'm sure A would rather stay in the game as a different role than be removed altogether)

B still knows that A is not a vamp though surely?

But once they're aligned that is a given.
Unless the cults cross factions?

Cult does indeed cross factions. The cult/church just allows the ability to PM with the leader.

Win condition does not change in this game.

[The Count]

I've settled on a solution regarding Ben Mearz for it was him:

1. We announce the Ben Mearz account has withdrawn for personal reasons. Because of this, I'm allowing a player who tried to signup later to take over in their place with a new account.

2. I'll randomly select one of the unpowered human players to get his power

The new account name is Laura Renfield.

[Herdanos]

Hmm.

So you're saying that by cheating, A has inadvertently created a situation where if left alive, they're in a position of trust for B i.e. B can have relative certainty that A is not a vampire

But B can't go public with that knowledge without risking their own identity

A can't similarly have the same faith in B

Perhaps Clarkman's resolution is cleaner than mine then (as an extra convert plus knowing the identity of a definitely-not-vampire seems too big an unearned gain for B)

Give B the option to recruit A - negative being they lose the choice of someone else to recruit today, positive (though not made explicit to them directly) being that they know the role of a nonvamp. If A is recruited A loses their previous power

If B opts not to recruit A, A godkilled. Don't think that's too harsh - this is a no PM game, you gave specific rules on PMs, they sent a PM to someone they shouldn't have