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Re: Movie News/Discussion Thread 2

Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 9:30 am
by abcd
When did Danny Ocean die? Who was Danny Ocean again?

Re: Movie News/Discussion Thread 2

Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 9:40 am
by Preezy
Meh, looks completely forgettable.

Re: Movie News/Discussion Thread 2

Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 11:33 am
by Tomous
I'm pretty sure the first Ocean's 11 was great but all that comes to mind when I think about the sequels is they decided a plot line where Julia Robert's character looks like the actress Julia Roberts was a good idea.

Re: Movie News/Discussion Thread 2

Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 11:42 am
by Grumpy David
Did anyone watch Female Ghostbusters? What was the general consensus? That got a lot of hate and tbf it did look pretty gooseberry fool from the trailer.


myrrh heat than light wrote:So, this is a thing.



I am a male and I have nothing but positive things to say about this.


:lol:

I am looking forward to reading the YouTube comments.

I heard they called it Ocean's 8 because women make 77% of what a man makes.

Re: Movie News/Discussion Thread 2

Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 12:18 pm
by more heat than light
Probably opening a can of worms here, but...

I'd consider myself a feminist but I think this (and Ghostbusters) are going about things the wrong way. I want to see strong female characters in films, and I want to see more ethnic minorities in cinema too. But rebooting existing franchises by recasting the characters with females is just stupid. I don't want to see Debbie Ocean just as I don't want to see Larry Croft or Alan Ripley. I don't want a black James Bond either.

These are existing characters and they're being changed because of no other reason than to cash in on the 'Hollywood is sexist' train. I can just imagine the pitch for this (probably delivered by a guy), 'it's Oceans Eleven - but with girls!' That, I'm afraid, is the definition of discrimination.

Mad Max: Fury Road and The Hunger Games movies proved that films can deliver strong female roles without resorting to gender recasting. I hope this fails, as I suspect it will.

Yeah I know, bumpain white guy etc.

Re: Movie News/Discussion Thread 2

Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 1:27 pm
by Frank
Are the characters in Ghostbusters the same characters but played by women, though? :shifty: I thought they were new (still haven’t actually watched it, though)

Looking at the cast list, though, can’t see Awkwafina’s name without thinking of this:



Bad branding.

Re: Movie News/Discussion Thread 2

Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 1:50 pm
by more heat than light
Frank wrote:Are the characters in Ghostbusters the same characters but played by women, though? :shifty: I thought they were new (still haven’t actually watched it, though)


No, but it's still an obviously intentional recast of an all male team into an all female one, purely for gender politics. Why else would they include Chris Hemsworth in the 'stupid bimbo' role?

Re: Movie News/Discussion Thread 2

Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 2:05 pm
by BID0
Ghostbusters was average. It was surprisingly okay during the first half (I went in with low expectations) and the final act was just terrible and didn't make much sense and was a CGI mess.

I'm surprised an Ocean's 11 with women finally got made, it was rumored all the way back when Ocean's 13 came out.

Re: Movie News/Discussion Thread 2

Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 2:18 pm
by Moggy
Grumpy David wrote:Did anyone watch Female Ghostbusters? What was the general consensus? That got a lot of hate and tbf it did look pretty gooseberry fool from the trailer.


It was mostly terrible with a couple of good bits.

Remaking or rebooting a beloved movie is almost always a recipe for disaster. The nostalgia that people feel for the originals (even if the original was flawed) means that remakes/reboots are always going to be judged harshly.

I didn’t really give a gooseberry fool that Ghostbusters had four women in, the problem with it was a weak villain, a weak script, poor jokes and unnecessarily shoehorning in cameos from the original Ghostbuster actors.

Re: Movie News/Discussion Thread 2

Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 3:45 pm
by Grumpy David
myrrh heat than light wrote:Probably opening a can of worms here, but...

I'd consider myself a feminist but I think this (and Ghostbusters) are going about things the wrong way. I want to see strong female characters in films, and I want to see more ethnic minorities in cinema too. But rebooting existing franchises by recasting the characters with females is just stupid. I don't want to see Debbie Ocean just as I don't want to see Larry Croft or Alan Ripley. I don't want a black James Bond either.

These are existing characters and they're being changed because of no other reason than to cash in on the 'Hollywood is sexist' train. I can just imagine the pitch for this (probably delivered by a guy), 'it's Oceans Eleven - but with girls!' That, I'm afraid, is the definition of discrimination.

Mad Max: Fury Road and The Hunger Games movies proved that films can deliver strong female roles without resorting to gender recasting. I hope this fails, as I suspect it will.

Yeah I know, bumpain white guy etc.



To quote you from 10/15 years ago:

It'll be gooseberry fool and you know it.

May not have been you on Gamesradar.

Re: Movie News/Discussion Thread 2

Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 4:09 pm
by Moggy
myrrh heat than light wrote:Probably opening a can of worms here, but...

I'd consider myself a feminist but I think this (and Ghostbusters) are going about things the wrong way. I want to see strong female characters in films, and I want to see more ethnic minorities in cinema too. But rebooting existing franchises by recasting the characters with females is just stupid. I don't want to see Debbie Ocean just as I don't want to see Larry Croft or Alan Ripley. I don't want a black James Bond either.

These are existing characters and they're being changed because of no other reason than to cash in on the 'Hollywood is sexist' train. I can just imagine the pitch for this (probably delivered by a guy), 'it's Oceans Eleven - but with girls!' That, I'm afraid, is the definition of discrimination.

Mad Max: Fury Road and The Hunger Games movies proved that films can deliver strong female roles without resorting to gender recasting. I hope this fails, as I suspect it will.

Yeah I know, bumpain white guy etc.


I think it all depends on what the IP is.

A black James Bond? I can see that this would mess up the existing canon but I am not against it as such. They should have avoided showing the ancestral home of the Bond’s in Skyfall and gone with the “James Bond is a codename” idea. Either way the character changes every few years, I see no real reason why Bond has to be white.

A female Dr Who? It’s a show about a regenerating alien. I see no problem with the sex of the character changing.

A female Ghostbusters? It could have worked with a decent script and less “remember this from the original!!!!!!” bullshit. A comedy about a team of people catching ghosts isn’t restricted to one sex or the other. I agree though that they should have concentrated on delivering a decent movie rather than just swapping genders and thinking that would make an interesting film.

Female Ocean’s? Meh, Ocean’s 11 was decent but the sequels were strawberry floating awful. I couldn’t care less what a new Ocean’s film is about or who is in it.

Because of you though, I really do now want to see a movie where Larry Croft is searching the galaxy for an ancient artefact, while helped out by his sidekick Alan Ripley. ;)

Re: Movie News/Discussion Thread 2

Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 4:16 pm
by Skippy
Partridge Iciclebubbles wrote:They should have avoided showing the ancestral home of the Bond’s in Skyfall and gone with the “James Bond is a codename” idea.


I've never despised a fan theory more than the "James Bond is a codename" theory

Re: Movie News/Discussion Thread 2

Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 4:21 pm
by Moggy
Skippy wrote:
Partridge Iciclebubbles wrote:They should have avoided showing the ancestral home of the Bond’s in Skyfall and gone with the “James Bond is a codename” idea.


I've never despised a fan theory more than the "James Bond is a codename" theory


Good for you.

It makes far more sense than the idea that this bloke has been wandering around the world for over 50 years, using his real name and changing his face/accent/height during all that time. It also opens it up to any actor being able to play the role without the bullshit “Noooo BOND IS WHITE!!!” comments.

Edit:

It was also sort of there when Lazenby took over. His first words were "this never happened to the other guy!", which instantly opened up the idea that James Bond was never an actual person.

Re: Movie News/Discussion Thread 2

Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 4:39 pm
by more heat than light
But James Bond is a white guy. That's the actual character. I don't see any difference between saying that and moaning about Jake Gyllenhall playing the Prince Of Persia or Tom Cruise being a samurai.

Re: Movie News/Discussion Thread 2

Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 4:43 pm
by Preezy
Surely 007 is the ongoing codename, not James Bond?

Otherwise how do you factor 006/Alec Trevelyan? Is that also just a codename and Sean Bean was just one in a long line of Alec Trevelyans? What a stupid codename that would be, it's really hard to spell.

Re: Movie News/Discussion Thread 2

Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 5:00 pm
by Moggy
myrrh heat than light wrote:But James Bond is a white guy. That's the actual character. I don't see any difference between saying that and moaning about Jake Gyllenhall playing the Prince Of Persia or Tom Cruise being a samurai.


Tom Cruise wasn’t a samurai.

Gyllenhall playing a Prince of Persia 1000+ plus years ago obviously makes no sense.

A black guy playing a spy in modern Britain makes sense.

Re: Movie News/Discussion Thread 2

Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 5:02 pm
by Moggy
Preezy wrote:Surely 007 is the ongoing codename, not James Bond?

Otherwise how do you factor 006/Alec Trevelyan? Is that also just a codename and Sean Bean was just one in a long line of Alec Trevelyans? What a stupid codename that would be, it's really hard to spell.


You think spies wander around the world telling everyone their real names?

Imagine in 1942, Roger Harrison is deep under cover in Nazi Germany and during his meeting with Himmler he says “the names Harrison old boy, Roger Harrison”.

Re: Movie News/Discussion Thread 2

Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 5:12 pm
by more heat than light
Partridge Iciclebubbles wrote:
myrrh heat than light wrote:But James Bond is a white guy. That's the actual character. I don't see any difference between saying that and moaning about Jake Gyllenhall playing the Prince Of Persia or Tom Cruise being a samurai.


Tom Cruise wasn’t a samurai.

Gyllenhall playing a Prince of Persia 1000+ plus years ago obviously makes no sense.

A black guy playing a spy in modern Britain makes sense.


Yeah ok, my examples weren't the best. I meant the criticisms of whitewashing in Hollywood. The answer isn't to make all of the existing characters black, it's to find and create new exciting roles for these actors.

A black guy playing a spy in modern Britain makes sense, totally. I just don't think it needs to be James Bond. Maybe a spin-off with someone playing a different agent, 009 perhaps. Like 24 Legacy, only good.

Re: Movie News/Discussion Thread 2

Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 5:21 pm
by Moggy
myrrh heat than light wrote:
Partridge Iciclebubbles wrote:
myrrh heat than light wrote:But James Bond is a white guy. That's the actual character. I don't see any difference between saying that and moaning about Jake Gyllenhall playing the Prince Of Persia or Tom Cruise being a samurai.


Tom Cruise wasn’t a samurai.

Gyllenhall playing a Prince of Persia 1000+ plus years ago obviously makes no sense.

A black guy playing a spy in modern Britain makes sense.


Yeah ok, my examples weren't the best. I meant the criticisms of whitewashing in Hollywood. The answer isn't to make all of the existing characters black, it's to find and create new exciting roles for these actors.

A black guy playing a spy in modern Britain makes sense, totally. I just don't think it needs to be James Bond. Maybe a spin-off with someone playing a different agent, 009 perhaps. Like 24 Legacy, only good.


I certainly wouldn’t support making all existing characters black.

Bond is somewhat different though. He’s a massive phenomenon that no spin off could ever match. But his only really characteristics (in the movies at least!) are spying, drinking, gambling and strawberry floating. There’s no real reason he couldn’t be played by somebody of a different race. Sort of like a more famous (at the time anyway) Nick Fury. There was no reason that Fury’s character had to stay white.

Whitewashing is a problem in some cases and a non-issue in others. Gyllenhall is a good example of whitewashing for instance, whereas Cruise in the Last Samurai made sense. I’d look at white roles being changed in the same way, does it make sense?

Re: Movie News/Discussion Thread 2

Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 5:22 pm
by Preezy
We should have a Chinese James Bond.