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by Tafdolphin » Tue Jul 02, 2019 3:09 pm

https://www.theverge.com/2019/7/2/20678 ... vel-disney

It’s not enough that Avengers: Endgame made more than $2 billion at the box office or that it’s heralded as a major accomplishment in film, ending a 22-movie arc that spans 11 years — not for Marvel fans. Their end goal to make Endgame the biggest movie of all time fell short by about $18 million.

Not even Endgame, which grossed about $2.76 billion, can defeat Avatar’s historic $2.78 billion box office revenue.

Marvel Studios attempted to claim the top spot from James Cameron’s Avatar (which is now also owned by Disney following the company’s acquisition of 20th Century Fox) by releasing a new version of Endgame in theaters last weekend that came with a deleted scene. It was 18 seconds long, and it was largely seen by fans as a waste of time and money and was beyond disappointing. The rerelease brought in an additional $7.8 million.


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PostRe: Movie News/Discussion Thread 2
by Peter Crisp » Tue Jul 02, 2019 3:15 pm

I can kind of see the point of a re-release to let people see something in the cinema but this was so obviously a cash grab I think it managed to put off even the fans.
There are indeed some films I'd go to the cinema for again but it'd have to be as part of a cheap ticket promotion for a film that's been out a few years.

This release was purely cynical.

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PostRe: Movie News/Discussion Thread 2
by Preezy » Tue Jul 02, 2019 3:17 pm

Whoever wins, Disney wins.

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by Jenuall » Tue Jul 02, 2019 3:27 pm

Bear in mind that Avatar did exactly the same thing with a second release 9 months after the initial release.

And also that Avatar was still playing in some cinemas 9 months after it's initial release to get to that $2.78b figure.

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by Tafdolphin » Tue Jul 02, 2019 3:31 pm

Jenuall wrote:Bear in mind that Avatar did exactly the same thing with a second release 9 months after the initial release.

And also that Avatar was still playing in some cinemas 9 months after it's initial release to get to that $2.78b figure.


This is true, although the Avatar Director's cut had a fair few additions rather than a single 10 second addition and some deleted scenes in a stinger.

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by Jenuall » Tue Jul 02, 2019 3:37 pm

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Jenuall wrote:Bear in mind that Avatar did exactly the same thing with a second release 9 months after the initial release.

And also that Avatar was still playing in some cinemas 9 months after it's initial release to get to that $2.78b figure.


This is true, although the Avatar Director's cut had a fair few additions rather than a single 10 second addition and some deleted scenes in a stinger.

Yeah it wasn't quite on the same level of the "cynical scale" as Avengers but still, everyone gotta got them dollars whatever it takes!

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by OrangeRKN » Tue Jul 02, 2019 3:40 pm

Avatar's success continues to baffle me to this day. At least Endgame being an event makes sense in the context of the MCU.

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by Tomous » Tue Jul 02, 2019 3:42 pm

OrangeRKN wrote:Avatar's success continues to baffle me to this day. At least Endgame being an event makes sense in the context of the MCU.


A huge amount was down to the novelty of the tech.

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by OrangeRKN » Tue Jul 02, 2019 3:44 pm

I don't get that either though because 3D film wasn't a new thing with Avatar (despite everyone seemingly acting as if it were)

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PostRe: Movie News/Discussion Thread 2
by Preezy » Tue Jul 02, 2019 4:16 pm

OrangeRKN wrote:Avatar's success continues to baffle me to this day. At least Endgame being an event makes sense in the context of the MCU.

Someone clearly didn't catch the Avatar-Induced-Depression bug :roll:

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by Tafdolphin » Tue Jul 02, 2019 4:21 pm

OrangeRKN wrote:I don't get that either though because 3D film wasn't a new thing with Avatar (despite everyone seemingly acting as if it were)


It was Cameron's first film since Titanic, so that was a huge draw, and the fact it wasn't just a 3D conversion it was purpose made was a massive part of the marketing. And the world building, and the tech, and the cast.

It was at least as hyped as Endgame, although no-one seems to remember that anymore. It was also a massively average film so it's cultural footprint is tiny compared to the anticipation doing the rounds back then (still the best use of 3D in a film though).

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PostRe: Movie News/Discussion Thread 2
by OrangeRKN » Tue Jul 02, 2019 4:23 pm

Tafdolphin wrote:the world building


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PostRe: Movie News/Discussion Thread 2
by Tafdolphin » Tue Jul 02, 2019 4:32 pm

OrangeRKN wrote:
Tafdolphin wrote:the world building


lol


There's a looooot of gooseberry fool to be poured on Avatar, but at the time Pandora was perhaps the most realistically presented otherplace ever created. I mean, it even had its own withdrawal symptom:

https://theweek.com/articles/497767/ava ... n-syndrome

Some Avatar fans are reportedly feeling as blue as Na'vi aliens once the movie ends. According to CNN, online forums have sprung up to support people experiencing depressed, even suicidal thoughts "because they long to enjoy the beauty of the alien world Pandora," the film's intricately rendered 3-D setting. Despondent fans have unleashed over 1,000 posts on one site, Avatar Forums, expressing their disgust with the relatively non-idyllic planet Earth and the human race. Has a new kind of filmmaking triggered a new kind of audience response? (Watch a report about the "Avatar Blues")

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by OrangeRKN » Tue Jul 02, 2019 4:35 pm

On the other hand, unobtainium

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by Tafdolphin » Tue Jul 02, 2019 4:39 pm

OrangeRKN wrote:On the other hand, unobtainium


Which is an actual engineering term:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unobtainium

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PostRe: Movie News/Discussion Thread 2
by OrangeRKN » Tue Jul 02, 2019 4:53 pm

I know. My point is that if the premise of your plot centres around a magical fictitious material, giving it a well-known placeholder name - one literally shared with that belovedly realistic sci-fi film The Core - is hardly the epitome of world building.

I think it's a huge stretch to call Pandora "the most realistically presented otherplace ever created" considering how deliberately fantastical it is, and how hand-waving it is in its plot progression - especially when it comes to the final battle in which the supposedly much superior Earth force is entirely lacking in even the most basic of military tactics.

I don't doubt the effect it had on people (even if I can't see it myself), but I wouldn't credit that to realistic world building, rather a pretty presentation of a desirable fantasy. Those are very different things. Good world building is The Lord of the Rings (ignoring the Eagles, naturally). Avatar is more like Star Wars - an attractive setting but anyone claiming it to possess laudable consistency is sadly deluded.

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PostRe: Movie News/Discussion Thread 2
by Tafdolphin » Tue Jul 02, 2019 4:54 pm

Ok! Agree to disagree because I actually don't give two gooseberry fools (although I still feel that's a real weird point to make about unobtainium)!

EDIT: Just to clarify, you're talking about narrative would building and I'm talking about anthropological, physical world building. The fiction of Avatar is gooseberry fool, the world they created in their computers was not.

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PostRe: Movie News/Discussion Thread 2
by OrangeRKN » Tue Jul 02, 2019 4:57 pm

Tafdolphin wrote:although I still feel that's a real weird point to make about unobtainium


It's jarring and immersion breaking to me every time they mention it by name, that's why

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PostRe: Movie News/Discussion Thread 2
by Tomous » Tue Jul 02, 2019 5:23 pm

Lads, we’ve got 4 Avatar sequels to get through, there will be plenty of time for arguing.

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PostRe: Movie News/Discussion Thread 2
by Tafdolphin » Tue Jul 02, 2019 5:27 pm

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