'MS or Sony to bow out of console market at E3'

I have a games PC but I've also recently become old and a skinflint so refuse to upgrade. I will however instantly upgrade consoles however as I love shiny things that go whiz and are piss easy to set up.

I have a Q6600 Quad
4870 Radeon
4 Gig ram

Not great, not terrible.

TigaSefi wrote:I hate the PS3 controllers with a passion. I just cannot get on with it at all.

Talking about next gen anyway, doubt the controller would be the same and no one has any idea of what the hardware or games would be like so to dismiss anything that is not made by MS is a little stupid.

Peter Crisp wrote:

Somebody Else's Problem wrote:A man who always wants more can never be happy.

I'm asking for a single large upgrade after 7 years that will last another 7 years I don't think I'm asking for the moon on a stick. Have you really lost all interest in evolution?

Thing is, Peter, after about 6 months you will start yearning for more powerful machines again. Developing and releasing new hardware is an expensive endeavour, and it means that developers have to get to grips with another new system just after they started to get the hang of the old hardware. It also alienates most existing customers who aren't geeks, and who aren't keen on buying another new machine because games are no longer coming out for the old one. Once upon a time, that wasn't such an issue. The industry was smaller and more niche. Now it's bigger and wider, and you get nowhere by catering just for the geeks and otaku.

Death's Head wrote:doubt the controller would be the same

Sony have hardly changed the dualshock since the PS1 days, though.

By the way packs of Jamie Dodgers are 50p each in Asda at the moment. Lets see Microsoft beat that for value.

Frank wrote:

Death's Head wrote:doubt the controller would be the same

Sony have hardly changed the dualshock since the PS1 days, though.

It will all be motion games next gen.

Anyway, you can get an adaptor to use a 360 controller so you can't use controller as an excuse!

Frank wrote:

Death's Head wrote:doubt the controller would be the same

Sony have hardly changed the dualshock since the PS1 days, though.

Mainly because when they try, people moan.

Death's Head wrote:

Frank wrote:

Death's Head wrote:doubt the controller would be the same

Sony have hardly changed the dualshock since the PS1 days, though.

It will all be motion games next gen.

Not a chance given that well over 75% of the Microsoft or Sony user base have no interest in it.

I like the PS3 controller.
I also like the 360 controller

Peter Crisp wrote:Not a chance given that well over 75% of the Microsoft or Sony user base have no interest in it.

Look, they know what is best for us. Don't argue with the powers that be. Once they've worked out a way for motion controllers to break down (particularly when there is no moving parts) so we can keep buying new ones, they will be standard.

Peter Crisp wrote:I have a games PC but I've also recently become old and a skinflint so refuse to upgrade. I will however instantly upgrade consoles however as I love shiny things that go whiz and are piss easy to set up.

I have a Q6600 Quad
4870 Radeon
4 Gig ram

Not great, not terrible.

You could probably upgrade to a top of the line PC for the price of a new console.

Somebody Else's Problem wrote:

Frank wrote:

Death's Head wrote:doubt the controller would be the same

Sony have hardly changed the dualshock since the PS1 days, though.

Mainly because when they try, people moan.

That's such nonsense.

They didn't change it because people moaned, they changed it because they had nothing better. The boomerangs performed like gooseberry fool and they all knew it.

They can't come up with anything better, and their pad is a part of their brand. The most you'll see is the stick and dpad change, but I wouldn't expect that, seeing as how rabidly stupid fanboys will defend the pad.

Somebody Else's Problem wrote:

Peter Crisp wrote:

Somebody Else's Problem wrote:A man who always wants more can never be happy.

I'm asking for a single large upgrade after 7 years that will last another 7 years I don't think I'm asking for the moon on a stick. Have you really lost all interest in evolution?

Thing is, Peter, after about 6 months you will start yearning for more powerful machines again. Developing and releasing new hardware is an expensive endeavour, and it means that developers have to get to grips with another new system just after they started to get the hang of the old hardware. It also alienates most existing customers who aren't geeks, and who aren't keen on buying another new machine because games are no longer coming out for the old one. Once upon a time, that wasn't such an issue. The industry was smaller and more niche. Now it's bigger and wider, and you get nowhere by catering just for the geeks and otaku.

While I see what you are saying, I am not sure how right you are. The general public do show a willingness to upgrade their tech on a reasonably regular basis. The conversion to digital photos didn’t take long, CRT to HDTV, the take up of broadband, Kindle/e-readers etc. Sony sold over 100 million PS2’s and (not Sony themselves) people were willing to upgrade to the new consoles. As long as the next gen is backwards compatible, they wouldn't alienate too many people.

I wouldn’t be happy with having to change consoles every 2 or 3 years, but I don’t think Peter is wrong to want something new after 7 years. Plus I like shiny new things as well.

They don't have to do much to improve the pad. Switch the left analogue and d-pad and make the grips more comfortable and it would be vastly better, plus you could still use old pads from PS3 as they would have also the same buttons and inputs.

Somebody Else's Problem wrote:

Peter Crisp wrote:

Somebody Else's Problem wrote:A man who always wants more can never be happy.

I'm asking for a single large upgrade after 7 years that will last another 7 years I don't think I'm asking for the moon on a stick. Have you really lost all interest in evolution?

Thing is, Peter, after about 6 months you will start yearning for more powerful machines again. Developing and releasing new hardware is an expensive endeavour, and it means that developers have to get to grips with another new system just after they started to get the hang of the old hardware. It also alienates most existing customers who aren't geeks, and who aren't keen on buying another new machine because games are no longer coming out for the old one. Once upon a time, that wasn't such an issue. The industry was smaller and more niche. Now it's bigger and wider, and you get nowhere by catering just for the geeks and otaku.

He could just get a PC

Re the chap saying ms are cutting first party.. Can he explain why they seem to be building it up again as If they have a new console in the works?

$ilva $hadow wrote:

Somebody Else's Problem wrote:

Frank wrote:

Death's Head wrote:doubt the controller would be the same

Sony have hardly changed the dualshock since the PS1 days, though.

Mainly because when they try, people moan.

That's such nonsense.

They didn't change it because people moaned, they changed it because they had nothing better. The boomerangs performed like gooseberry fool and they all knew it.

They can't come up with anything better, and their pad is a part of their brand. The most you'll see is the stick and dpad change, but I wouldn't expect that, seeing as how rabidly stupid fanboys will defend the pad.

this happens every console re do, people say it will change, retarded images get made and people say they leaks because they are morons, they will stay the same for box xbox and sony as they work as they are and they are part of the branding.

Lagamorph wrote:

Somebody Else's Problem wrote:

Peter Crisp wrote:

Somebody Else's Problem wrote:A man who always wants more can never be happy.

I'm asking for a single large upgrade after 7 years that will last another 7 years I don't think I'm asking for the moon on a stick. Have you really lost all interest in evolution?

Thing is, Peter, after about 6 months you will start yearning for more powerful machines again. Developing and releasing new hardware is an expensive endeavour, and it means that developers have to get to grips with another new system just after they started to get the hang of the old hardware. It also alienates most existing customers who aren't geeks, and who aren't keen on buying another new machine because games are no longer coming out for the old one. Once upon a time, that wasn't such an issue. The industry was smaller and more niche. Now it's bigger and wider, and you get nowhere by catering just for the geeks and otaku.

He could just get a PC

As much as he downplays his PC, it's actually a really good machine, much more powerful than any console. It's more a case of penis-envy, where you keep reading about all the new stuff, and suddenly your porsche ain't enough, it needs to be supercharged up the wazoo, but the only way to do that is to spend large amounts of money.


Look at this, I just youtubed q6600 and 4870:



This guy even has his hooked up to a TV







All this time he's asking for a step up from this generation, and it's right there in front of him. The potential to upgrade is also already there for him. Except he wants it packaged up and stamped with Sony/MS/Ninty.

They've been selling consoles at a loss, and Ninty are showing that you don't need power to sell. They're not going to continue to sell at a loss, not in these economic conditions either.

CrystalGipsy wrote:

KKLEIN wrote:If Sony were able to get the PlayStation Store/PS3 into their TVs or computers that really would be something. Freeview HD, on-demand films, music, TV shows & videogames; all accessible with no extra box or subscription fee.

Most of what your saying is already available though on existing TV's. My Sammy even has games as well, crap they are but still my 5 year old likes em.

My TV has had games built into it for about 20 years or so.

I've always said that you can't take PS4 as a given.

They have lost billions on PS3 and they are about to go through it again with Vita, they will get to the point like SEGA where shareholders will say enough is enough and just make money from Uncharted 4 being on Nextbox.

Although I doubt they are at that stage quite yet, they have a couple of options,

1) Go for a surprise launch of PS4, a console with an upgraded Cell, new GPU and 2gb ram that is a step up from Wii U but based around the PS3. Come end of 2012/2013 it could basically fit into the £249 bracket without being sold at a massive loss, play all your PS3 games and do them for another 4-5 years until their stated aims in the roadmap of tech become reality.

2) Wait, disrupt the flow of the industry by not releasing more hardware until 2015 at the earliest, then they will be guaranteed the most poweful console and can try and stifle Wii U and Nextbox by having comfortably better versions of every multiformat game.

I think they may go for that second option and in the meantime now they are in the profitable part of the PS3 lifecycle then can have another even slimmer revision and really drive down the entry price whilst the world economy is flat.