Musk's car tunnels.

PostRe: Musk's car tunnels. by **Green Gecko** » Thu May 13, 2021 3:08 pm

I'm fairly confident in an almost completely automated and predictable mode of transport versus.. The relatively high likelihood of Death caused by somebody's negligence at pretty much any given moment.

That's the kind of social interaction I'm concerned about.

PostRe: Musk's car tunnels. by **SEP** » Thu May 13, 2021 3:37 pm

OrangeRKN wrote:You're still surrounded by strangers when you're driving, and if anything you're forced to interact with them more and those interactions tend to be worse as people get road rage. On a train you can zone out and ignore everyone else, if you do that while driving you'll cause a car crash.

I'm not breathing their air, though. Or hearing them grunt or sniff or snort. I can't smell them, I can't hear them, and most importantly, they can't hear me sing along to Meat Loaf.

All this, of course, being after having to wait around for one to show up, and being limited by their timetables and service patterns. And then having to stop at every strawberry floating station to let more banana splits on, so you spend an hour getting somewhere you could have driven to in 10 minutes.

PostRe: Musk's car tunnels. by **Green Gecko** » Thu May 13, 2021 3:43 pm

You see the problem of every single person in the country believes that they are entitled to that, right? And what about the world?

I'm not expecting to think all that deeply about it, because the pleasantries of driving one's personal sealed automative unit are all too strawberry floating obvious.

PostRe: Musk's car tunnels. by **SEP** » Thu May 13, 2021 4:05 pm

So shouldn't we be improving what is good and desirable, rather than trying to polish a turd?

PostRe: Musk's car tunnels. by **That** » Thu May 13, 2021 4:55 pm

Trains are a fantastic mode of travel for longer journeys. There are some that are run-down and overcrowded, but that's a funding problem. When run well you get where you need to go much more quickly, and you can read or play games or stretch your legs whenever you like. It's great!

Buses are typically grotty but with better funding could be made an equally good option but for shorter journeys. Trams or metro lines are potentially good too. The London Underground isn't perfect in terms of comfort but is very efficient and convenient all things considered.

Cars cause all sorts of horrible problems. They use fuel inefficiently, require a hugely disproportionate amount of space to be dedicated to them in terms of roads and car parks, and that infrastructure is incredibly fragile in terms of accidents and congestion, and that's not to mention all the pollution.

PostRe: Musk's car tunnels. by **OrangeRKN** » Thu May 13, 2021 5:03 pm

I personally for the most part much prefer travelling by train than by car.

PostRe: Musk's car tunnels. by **Green Gecko** » Thu May 13, 2021 5:04 pm

Cars aren't good or desirable by or for quite a lot of people really. A fair number of people cannot drive even if they wanted to, due to a range of factors seldom understood by those who drive through personal choice or desire. For one, running a car is exorbitantly expensive, and dangerous.

Such as for the example that they are literally increasing the incidence of developmental issues in kids and higher degrees of toxicity in their cells, leading to early development issues and later stage issues brought forward such as cancer.

Cars are noisy, disorienting and unreliable by their very nature. I get physically sick travelling in cars for pretty much any length of time.

I say this without reference to any kind of literature (that obviously exists) because a traffic accident permanently disfigured, scared and disabled my mother for life. My friend when I was younger was killed by an exploding tire. An acquaintance killed 3 people driving in a car while on drugs, whereas I imagine getting on a train probably wouldn't have had the same result.

But sure they're valuable for getting around the anarchically designed, twisting and turning public infrastructure circa the middle ages. Let's not change the infrastructure. Let's just keep adding MORE CARS. And more roads for those cars. And let's pay for it with everybody's taxes, instead of investing in sane, forward-thinking forms of infrastructure that don't endlessly fund capitalists and fossil fuel industries that are literally melting the planet.

The car can be reinvented to an extent but the infrastructural, safety and resource intensive issues around maintaining that system will probably remain present, however they change. They do not and cannot make sense as a sustainable method of transporting people.

And no, you really don't need them to get to work any more. You can work anywhere. If you can't, your employer is prehistoric.

But yeah cars are nice or whatever. I used to collect diecast cars too but then I realised as a civic mode of transport they're strawberry floating ridiculous.

PostRe: Musk's car tunnels. by **Jenuall** » Thu May 13, 2021 5:10 pm

Exactly, the current model with everyone in their own private transport vehicles is almost laughable when analysed objectively from a big picture perspective!

Individual and small group transportation will still always be a thing most likely but the need for everyone to have their own private vehicle will hopefully be superseded by an automated 'vehicle on demand' service where cars aren't owned by one person but shared across those who need them and the whole system can be scaled and scheduled to meet the requirements of the users.

But ultimately that would still only be a relatively minor use case to compliment the main mass transport systems which if similarly well funded and managed would be hugely effective

PostRe: Musk's car tunnels. by **Green Gecko** » Thu May 13, 2021 5:15 pm

But but... MORE CARS.

What a load of pompous grandiose bollocks.

(As an aside, I'll note that the original Ford that ran on Ethanol (alcohol) was actually pretty efficient iirc, travelling on average about 20mph. But VRM VRM GO FASTER)

PostRe: Musk's car tunnels. by **Victor Mildew** » Thu May 13, 2021 5:42 pm

Green Gecko wrote:But but... MORE CARS.

What a load of pompous grandiose bollocks.

(As an aside, I'll note that the original Ford that ran on Ethanol (alcohol) was actually pretty efficient iirc, travelling on average about 20mph. But VRM VRM GO FASTER)

Dat lurking Volvo :datass:

PostRe: Musk's car tunnels. by **SEP** » Fri May 14, 2021 7:36 am

Mass transport outside of major cities is a joke. Unless you like getting one bus an hour, that could be withdrawn if the company decides it's not profitable enough.

PostRe: Musk's car tunnels. by **Cuttooth** » Fri May 14, 2021 7:53 am

Somebody Else's Presents wrote:Mass transport outside of major cities is a joke. Unless you like getting one bus an hour, that could be withdrawn if the company decides it's not profitable enough.

It's a shame there is no way this can be improved upon.

PostRe: Musk's car tunnels. by **Jenuall** » Fri May 14, 2021 9:09 am

PostRe: Musk's car tunnels. by **Green Gecko** » Fri May 14, 2021 2:36 pm

What if every car was a snaky bus of some description?

No really.

PostRe: Musk's car tunnels. by **Peter Crisp** » Fri May 14, 2021 2:39 pm

Green Gecko wrote:What if every car was a snaky bus of some description?

No really.

We just need to invent Star Trek Style transporters.
The only downside is that it's an instant suicide machine but swings and roundabouts.

PostRe: Musk's car tunnels. by **BonalityMatrix** » Fri May 14, 2021 3:12 pm

Peter Crisp wrote:it's an instant suicide machine

Where do I sign?

PostRe: Musk's car tunnels. by **Jenuall** » Fri May 14, 2021 3:28 pm

*Barclay Intensifies*

PostRe: Musk's car tunnels. by **Ironhide** » Fri May 14, 2021 5:39 pm

Victor Mildew wrote:
Green Gecko wrote:But but... MORE CARS.

What a load of pompous grandiose bollocks.

(As an aside, I'll note that the original Ford that ran on Ethanol (alcohol) was actually pretty efficient iirc, travelling on average about 20mph. But VRM VRM GO FASTER)

Dat lurking Volvo

PostRe: Musk's car tunnels. by **BonalityMatrix** » Fri May 14, 2021 7:54 pm

Green Gecko wrote:And no, you really don't need them to get to work any more. You can work anywhere. If you can't, your employer is prehistoric.

That depends on the job. Asserting that people can "work anywhere" is just silly.

PostRe: Musk's car tunnels. by **Peter Crisp** » Fri May 14, 2021 8:05 pm

BonalityMatrix wrote:
Peter Crisp wrote:it's an instant suicide machine

Where do I sign?

Any Star Trek convention will have a list you can stick your name on.
If you see Nelix remember to "Boooooooo!!!!!!!!!" him mercilessly.

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