New MJ documentary

No:1 Final Fantasy Fan wrote:

Errkal wrote:Piers Morgan who is a banana split,
The sun who are banana splits
And a biographer who would have somewhat of a vested interest in this being wrong as they should have lots of access to Jackson and that so if dodge gooseberry fool was happen they should have or may have known, it would also invalidate a lot of their work.

PM a very sucesssful reporter
The story has nothing to do with The Sun as multiple papers are reporting it and actually shows their twitter rants.
O yeah a biographer has far less to gain if any compared to the director and these two guys,

Doesn't stop him from being a massive banana split though does it?

Michael Jackson was a successful musician, Jonathan King was a successful record producer, Jimmy Savile was a successful TV personality.

Success and cunthood aren't mutually exclusive.

IAmTheSaladMan wrote:

No:1 Final Fantasy Fan wrote:

Errkal wrote:Piers Morgan who is a banana split,
The sun who are banana splits
And a biographer who would have somewhat of a vested interest in this being wrong as they should have lots of access to Jackson and that so if dodge gooseberry fool was happen they should have or may have known, it would also invalidate a lot of their work.

PM a very sucesssful reporter
The story has nothing to do with The Sun as multiple papers are reporting it and actually shows their twitter rants.
O yeah a biographer has far less to gain if any compared to the director and these two guys,

Doesn't stop him from being a massive banana split though does it?

Michael Jackson was a successful musician, Jonathan King was a successful record producer, Jimmy Savile was a successful TV personality.

Success and cunthood aren't mutually exclusive.

Right but I am not saying because PM is going against the director then that means hes innocent etc. I'm just stating that major flaws have been found in what these two guys are saying. But it seems most of you want to ignore that and brush it under the carpet rather than view both sides of the story.

They were kids being abused, 100% time and place accuracy is going to be sketchy, you seem to be discounting everything they say because they don’t remember exact locations.

If he was having sleep overs with kids he a nonce, if he strawberry floated them he is a nonce, either way the outcome is the same.

Just because some of the details are fuzzy because they were kids doesn’t mean you can brush it all away.

They guy was a disgusting human being.

Errkal wrote:They were kids being abused, 100% time and place accuracy is going to be sketchy, you seem to be discounting everything they say because they don’t remember exact locations.

If he was having sleep overs with kids he a nonce, if he strawberry floated them he is a nonce, either way the outcome is the same.

Just because some of the details are fuzzy because they were kids doesn’t mean you can brush it all away.

They guy was a disgusting human being.

Well I guess that is your opinion and we all interpret things in different ways.

Yes, you interpret sleeping with other people's kids in hotel rooms and what's not as acceptable. Whereas I do not.

The paedolyrics in this thread

Moggy wrote:

mic wrote:Yeah, I can’t use the search function. Link, please? Or a brief summation?

Polanski: search.php?keywords=polanski&terms=all&author=&sc=1&sf=all&sr=posts&sk=t&sd=d&st=0&ch=300&t=0&submit=Search

"Singer" is too common a term, I can't be arsed filtering it down to just the X-Men nonce.

Thank you, that’s great.

I’m still not sure these cases receive an equal amount of publicity, but I suppose that could be down to levels of fame. Regardless, having looked a bit deeper, I would like to concede that the race angle is a bust.

Still doesn’t mean he did it though.

Errkal wrote:Yes, you interpret sleeping with other people's kids in hotel rooms and what's not as acceptable. Whereas I do not.

Is it not possible, to your mind, to make a distinction between ‘sleeping in the same bed’ and ‘sexual molestation/ rape’? I don’t believe that the former is a criminal offence, whereas the latter most certainly is.

mic wrote:

Errkal wrote:Yes, you interpret sleeping with other people's kids in hotel rooms and what's not as acceptable. Whereas I do not.

Is it not possible, to your mind, to make a distinction between ‘sleeping in the same bed’ and ‘sexual molestation/ rape’? I don’t believe that the former is a criminal offence, whereas the latter most certainly is.

Thank you Mic my thoughts exactly just because he slept in the same bed or room does not mean anything sexual happened as MJ already said in that interview

No:1 Final Fantasy Fan wrote:

mic wrote:

Errkal wrote:Yes, you interpret sleeping with other people's kids in hotel rooms and what's not as acceptable. Whereas I do not.

Is it not possible, to your mind, to make a distinction between ‘sleeping in the same bed’ and ‘sexual molestation/ rape’? I don’t believe that the former is a criminal offence, whereas the latter most certainly is.

Thank you Mic my thoughts exactly just because he slept in the same bed or room does not mean anything sexual happened as MJ already said in that interview

Wether he did anything or not, sleeping with other people kids in your bed in hotels and what not is wrong, sick and twisted.

You know what, I’m done, I can’t be arsed to argue with people that willing to excuse he actions of a paedo because they like their music.

No:1 Final Fantasy Fan wrote:

mic wrote:

Errkal wrote:Yes, you interpret sleeping with other people's kids in hotel rooms and what's not as acceptable. Whereas I do not.

Is it not possible, to your mind, to make a distinction between ‘sleeping in the same bed’ and ‘sexual molestation/ rape’? I don’t believe that the former is a criminal offence, whereas the latter most certainly is.

Thank you Mic my thoughts exactly just because he slept in the same bed or room does not mean anything sexual happened as MJ already said in that interview

Wait, Jackson said nothing sexual happened?

That changes everything!

It's genuinely like trying to convince a cult member that their leader is actually a fraud. Sometimes you have to just give up and leave people to their delusions.

Yep it's pretty much impossible to convince MJ fans that he may not be entirely innocent in this. The dude could have literally released a version of Rock My World with the following lyrics and people would still have defended him:

♫ I strawberry floated those kids you know I did
And everything I own, I give (in settlement money) ♪

Preezy wrote:It's genuinely like trying to convince a cult member that their leader is actually a fraud. Sometimes you have to just give up and leave people to their delusions.

See also: Brexit.

On another point, it confuses the strawberry float out of me why he had so much cosmetic work done. He wasn't a bad looking bloke when he was younger. He looked like a horror movie creation near the end. He totally had bum chin.

Squinty wrote:On another point, it confuses the strawberry float out of me why he had so much cosmetic work done. He wasn't a bad looking bloke when he was younger. He looked like a horror movie creation near the end. He totally had bum chin.

There are a couple of explanations to this - one is that he had a genetic condition that turned some of his skin white(someone will be able to elaborate on this, I don’t know the condition well enough to comment too deeply) and had skin grafts to essentially whiten himself up and cover up the damage.

The other one I have heard is that he suffered extensive burn damage when his hair went on fire during the filming of a Pepsi commercial in the early 1980s but I’d be surprised if that had any truth to it.

Corazon de Leon wrote:

Squinty wrote:On another point, it confuses the strawberry float out of me why he had so much cosmetic work done. He wasn't a bad looking bloke when he was younger. He looked like a horror movie creation near the end. He totally had bum chin.

There are a couple of explanations to this - one is that he had a genetic condition that turned some of his skin white(someone will be able to elaborate on this, I don’t know the condition well enough to comment too deeply) and had skin grafts to essentially whiten himself up and cover up the damage.

The other one I have heard is that he suffered extensive burn damage when his hair went on fire during the filming of a Pepsi commercial in the early 1980s but I’d be surprised if that had any truth to it.

Pretty sure it was confirmed that Jackson genuinely did have Vitiligo (the condition which causes the lack of melanin and therefore white patches on skin). Apparently he initially covered the white patches to even it out but this became too difficult and so he began to lighten the appearance of the remaining darker patches of skin instead? Doesn't really explain surgery but might go some way to making him develop a messed up sense of his own appearance I guess?

Also regarding the Pepsi skin burn thing - again I believe this did happen and it has been cited as a source for him becoming addicted to pain medication.

Hasn't it been mentioned before that he thought he looked too much like his dad and so had surgery to look different?

Corazon de Leon wrote:

Squinty wrote:On another point, it confuses the strawberry float out of me why he had so much cosmetic work done. He wasn't a bad looking bloke when he was younger. He looked like a horror movie creation near the end. He totally had bum chin.

There are a couple of explanations to this - one is that he had a genetic condition that turned some of his skin white(someone will be able to elaborate on this, I don’t know the condition well enough to comment too deeply) and had skin grafts to essentially whiten himself up and cover up the damage.

The other one I have heard is that he suffered extensive burn damage when his hair went on fire during the filming of a Pepsi commercial in the early 1980s but I’d be surprised if that had any truth to it.

If you keep changing your appearance then kids cannot pick you out of an ID parade.

The thing about paedophilia is that it makes people loose their gooseberry fool. Those who would not normally condone mass hysteria or trial by media get caught up in veritable witch hunts, as though they finally have an excuse to let it all out.

The thing about fanatics is they will excuse sleeping with other people’s kids in hotel rooms because they like to sing along to the songs.

I must reiterate again. THIS IS NOT NORMAL BEHAVIOUR.