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by Moggy » Thu Mar 07, 2019 8:35 pm

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Jenuall wrote:The director being dodgy or not is entirely irrelevant to the question of whether Jackson was inappropriate with children.


But he's bald! So he's bad and CREEPY.



Jawa's bald, but he is the nicest person ever. Guess he's not really and is massive scum. Jawa you are a bad bald person. And you have a beard and beards are for people who like to hide things.


This description of Jawa fits me. Bald. Creepy. Beard. Secret pervert.


Secret?

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by OrangeRKN » Thu Mar 07, 2019 8:36 pm

You should all read N1FFF's cameo here too :toot:

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PostRe: New MJ documentary
by Moggy » Thu Mar 07, 2019 8:42 pm

No:1 Final Fantasy Fan wrote:I can accept that MJ hung out with children because he was so open about it to the public.


Yeah it’s a well known fact that child molesters are never open about being seen with children.

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by Gemini73 » Thu Mar 07, 2019 9:05 pm

This thread definitely needs archiving. :lol:

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by Preezy » Thu Mar 07, 2019 9:49 pm

Just watched part one - I have to say they make pretty compelling testimony.

You have to apply Occam's Razor in situations like this. What's more likely? A weirdo manchild billionaire that openly admits to sleeping with young boys in his bed molesting the boys, or the boys making up detailed and graphic stories for financial gain?

On balance, I think he probably did do what they've accused him of, which is depressing because I love(d) his music and it's a shame to think that he was a massive predatory paedophile. But if that's the truth, then that's the truth and you have to deal with that. The fact he was a ridiculously talented performer isn't relevant, the fact he has a musical legacy isn't relevant. If he strawberry floated kids then he strawberry floated kids and good luck defending that.

The crazy fans that defend him to the hilt and have a weird religious-like blind faith regardless of the evidence are never going to see it that way and it's pointless (albeit amusing) to try and convince them otherwise (as well as enjoying their mental gymnastics trying to get out of that corner they painted themselves into).

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by Rocsteady » Thu Mar 07, 2019 10:23 pm

Preezy wrote:Just watched part one - I have to say they make pretty compelling testimony.

You have to apply Occam's Razor in situations like this. What's more likely? A weirdo manchild billionaire that openly admits to sleeping with young boys in his bed molesting the boys, or the boys making up detailed and graphic stories for financial gain?

On balance, I think he probably did do what they've accused him of, which is depressing because I love(d) his music and it's a shame to think that he was a massive predatory paedophile. But if that's the truth, then that's the truth and you have to deal with that. The fact he was a ridiculously talented performer isn't relevant, the fact he has a musical legacy isn't relevant. If he strawberry floated kids then he strawberry floated kids and good luck defending that.

The crazy fans that defend him to the hilt and have a weird religious-like blind faith regardless of the evidence are never going to see it that way and it's pointless (albeit amusing) to try and convince them otherwise (as well as enjoying their mental gymnastics trying to get out of that corner they painted themselves into).

Agree with this, good post.

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PostRe: New MJ documentary
by Rocsteady » Thu Mar 07, 2019 10:24 pm

Cheeky Devlin wrote:
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Man, where is that thread?


t:just-got-capsized-during-a-raft-race?f=7&hilit=Raft

That thread is absolutely majestic, so many golden points. My favourite is the realisation that Barcelona has weed in it.

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by more heat than light » Fri Mar 08, 2019 9:23 am

Any excuse to share this.


jawafour wrote:You definitely have the biggest one, mhtl - it's strawberry-floatin' massive!
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PostRe: New MJ documentary
by OrangeRKN » Fri Mar 08, 2019 9:46 am

Gemini73 wrote:Simpsons MJ episode removed

https://m.uk.ign.com/articles/2019/03/0 ... llegations


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Sucks that it's being removed from all future DVD releases

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PostRe: New MJ documentary
by BID0 » Fri Mar 08, 2019 10:03 am

A lot of radio stations have pulled his music too

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PostRe: New MJ documentary
by Moggy » Fri Mar 08, 2019 10:06 am

While I believe Jackson to be guilty, I really don’t see the point in removing his music or removing Simpson’s episodes featuring him.

He’s dead, he isn’t getting any royalties from anything anymore and (as far as I know) his estate are not a Clinton style pizza paedo ring.

With somebody like Gary Glitter, remove his music by all means as he is still alive and profiting. For a dead man though? He gets no benefit from it so I don’t think it needs to be removed.

It’d be different with something like a building named after and celebrating him, but we don’t remove ancient Greek art from the British Museum (as much as the Greeks might want us to ;) ) and they all loved going full Jackson on preteens.

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by Preezy » Fri Mar 08, 2019 10:08 am

This really is the ultimate "can you separate the art from the artist" challenge. He has so many stone-cold-classic songs, some of them being in my all-time favourite lists. It sucks, but I just don't think I can listen to them without thinking about what he's most likely done to all those poor kids. It's gross.

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PostRe: New MJ documentary
by OrangeRKN » Fri Mar 08, 2019 10:14 am

At least Thriller can still get played at Halloween, that context only makes the night more creepy

(I also don't really see what has changed, similar allegations have been around forever and his trial was a long time ago, so surely if you believe the allegations and can't separate art from the artist you'd have stopped listening to him a long time ago also?)

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by Lex-Man » Fri Mar 08, 2019 10:14 am

I think Glitter sold the rights to his music years ago so I don't actually think he directly makes money off it anymore anyway.

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by Moggy » Fri Mar 08, 2019 10:19 am

Lex-Man wrote:I think Glitter sold the rights to his music years ago so I don't actually think he directly makes money off it anymore anyway.


He was still making money from it in 2012/13.

https://www.digitalspy.com/music/a45504 ... -playbook/

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PostRe: New MJ documentary
by Parksey » Fri Mar 08, 2019 10:24 am

I think N1FFF might just be suffering from recurring mental trauma, given we've seen a raft of recent accusations against MJ.

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by Jenuall » Fri Mar 08, 2019 10:56 am

Parksey wrote:I think N1FFF might just be suffering from recurring mental trauma, given we've seen a raft of recent accusations against MJ.

Snigger..


True it can be hard to process things in these circumstances, but we all have to be careful not to go overboard.

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PostRe: New MJ documentary
by SandyCoin » Fri Mar 08, 2019 11:02 am

Preezy wrote:This really is the ultimate "can you separate the art from the artist" challenge. He has so many stone-cold-classic songs, some of them being in my all-time favourite lists. It sucks, but I just don't think I can listen to them without thinking about what he's most likely done to all those poor kids. It's gross.


Is it only now you feel this way? There have been rumours of his behavior towards children for decades. Hell, even when I was a kid and listened to his music I was under the impression he did/had done stuff to kids.

I think it's pointless removing his work. I really don't see what it achieves as the guy is dead.

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