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I'd quite like to see how the federation discovered warp/shield/phaser technology though, as it's fairly rare for scifi to actually cover these things.

Ironhide wrote:I'd quite like to see how the federation discovered warp/shield/phaser technology though, as it's fairly rare for scifi to actually cover these things.

Warp drive was covered in First Contact.
Shield tech was most likely provided by one of the other founding races, Andorians or Vulcans most likely, since they already had that technology prior to the Federation.
Phasers were just a natural progression of the energy based weapons systems already in use by the Federation.

Lagamorph wrote:

Ironhide wrote:I'd quite like to see how the federation discovered warp/shield/phaser technology though, as it's fairly rare for scifi to actually cover these things.

Warp drive was covered in First Contact.
Shield tech was most likely provided by one of the other founding races, Andorians or Vulcans most likely, since they already had that technology prior to the Federation.
Phasers were just a natural progression of the energy based weapons systems already in use by the Federation.

Shields were covered in Enterprise if i remember correctly.

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I like Voyager, I dont understand a lot of the hate it gets, its not perfect and yeah the early series can be a bit ropey but overall its a good show with some great highlights.

Rax wrote:I like Voyager, I dont understand a lot of the hate it gets, its not perfect and yeah the early series can be a bit ropey but overall its a good show with some great highlights.

Agreed, and Voyager is hardly unique in having some dodgy early series. TNG and DS9 suffered from the same thing in their first 2-3 series.

One episode away from finishing TOS. There are some good episodes in there but far too many "Enterprise bothered by godlike aliens" or "Enterprise lands on planet identical to a specific period of Earth history".

I'm going to watch the animated series before I start the movies.

Lagamorph wrote:

Rax wrote:I like Voyager, I dont understand a lot of the hate it gets, its not perfect and yeah the early series can be a bit ropey but overall its a good show with some great highlights.

Agreed, and Voyager is hardly unique in having some dodgy early series. TNG and DS9 suffered from the same thing in their first 2-3 series.

Voyager has good and bad moments but it's pretty solid overall.
My main gripe with the series is that they completely destroyed the Borg as an ultimate enemy. The best use of the Borg is to use them super sparingly and have them cause utter destruction and then go away again.
They turned up in a handful of episodes of Next Gen and that was plenty for them to be this mysterious enemy that can cause dread at the merest hint of contact and that made them special. It's why Best of Both World's was so amazing.

Lagamorph wrote:

Rax wrote:I like Voyager, I dont understand a lot of the hate it gets, its not perfect and yeah the early series can be a bit ropey but overall its a good show with some great highlights.

Agreed, and Voyager is hardly unique in having some dodgy early series. TNG and DS9 suffered from the same thing in their first 2-3 series.

I rewatched DS9 a couple of years ago and the 2nd episode is filler episode that did nothing to fill in backstory or move the season arc, Im not saying it was a bad episode, I cant remember if it was or not, it was just very jarring to go from episode 1 which had lots of setup and stuff to suddenly everyone is well settled and dealing with random trivialities. I guess it shows how much TV in general has changed with shows being much more like extended movies now and getting away from the disaster/monster/situation of the week kind of format. Obviously DS9 did settle into being this extended arc drama in later years but I had forgotten how much filler there was in the early seasons.

Peter Crisp wrote:

Lagamorph wrote:

Rax wrote:I like Voyager, I dont understand a lot of the hate it gets, its not perfect and yeah the early series can be a bit ropey but overall its a good show with some great highlights.

Agreed, and Voyager is hardly unique in having some dodgy early series. TNG and DS9 suffered from the same thing in their first 2-3 series.

Voyager has good and bad moments but it's pretty solid overall.
My main gripe with the series is that they completely destroyed the Borg as an ultimate enemy. The best use of the Borg is to use them super sparingly and have them cause utter destruction and then go away again.
They turned up in a handful of episodes of Next Gen and that was plenty for them to be this mysterious enemy that can cause dread at the merest hint of contact and that made them special. It's why Best of Both World's was so amazing.

To be fair, the Borg are portrayed as constantly shifting and changing how they do things. Their experience with the Federation showed their way of solving my things at that time just wasn't working so they'd have to change and adapt. By the same token a future series could easily take them back to their TNG days in much the same way.

I quite liked some of the expanded universe stuff that sort of tried to bring together all the conflicting EU Borg stories by saying that the Borg are either a force that expands and assimilates the entire Galaxy, then retreats to allow life/technology to develop again (think Reapers from Mass Effect), or that the Borg aren't a single collective, but successive similar species rose time and again either after the defeat of the previous Borg (so possibly people messing with old Borg tech and triggering a return) or a similar cybernetic race rising and absorbing the previous collective.

Then again there was the Destiny series that also explained the Borg origins along with having a magical super race (Not the Q) literally going "No Borg anymore" and that was that.

Peter Crisp wrote:Voyager has good and bad moments but it's pretty solid overall.

I can only think of about half a dozen "solid" episodes of Voyager to be honest. Most are mediocre, and the really bad ones outweigh the really good ones.

Karl wrote:

Peter Crisp wrote:Voyager has good and bad moments but it's pretty solid overall.

I can only think of about half a dozen "solid" episodes of Voyager to be honest. Most are mediocre, and the really bad ones outweigh the really good ones.

As a Trek series it's not great but as a series overall I rate it above average but then again I'm a sci-fi fan so that's hardly a shock.

Karl wrote:

Peter Crisp wrote:Voyager has good and bad moments but it's pretty solid overall.

I can only think of about half a dozen "solid" episodes of Voyager to be honest. Most are mediocre, and the really bad ones outweigh the really good ones.

Its a shame that Year of Hell ended on a reset, but I remember liking the one where a copy of the EMH wakes up in a museum hundreds of years later on a planet which remembers voyager as bloodthirsty invaders or something.

There's always one element of a series that I don't like. In voyager I never like the whole Kes/Neelix thing. I get they needed some sort of native crew member to explain all this alien gooseberry fool, but I found them annoying as gooseberry fool. I remember not digging the whole Emissary thing in DS9, but I think i need to go back and watch that again.

Kes was just creepy in general being only 2 years old yet had Neelix and Paris perving on her.

To be fair she was a really hot two-year-old.

Shame the actress who played her turned out to be batshit insane.

Rax wrote:Shame the actress who played her turned out to be batshit insane.

Isn't Avery Brooks (Sisko) also a bit odd?

Karl wrote:To be fair she was a really hot two-year-old.

The years were not kind however.

Trelliz wrote:

Rax wrote:Shame the actress who played her turned out to be batshit insane.

Isn't Avery Brooks (Sisko) also a bit odd?

I think he hams it up a lot for Star Trek fans, he is a tenured Professor at I forget which university.

Apparently the documentary for the 50th Anniversary box set of films is meant to be very good. I feel very old as I have the 25th Anniversary edition (it was old when I got it.....)

Trelliz wrote:Its a shame that Year of Hell ended on a reset, but I remember liking the one where a copy of the EMH wakes up in a museum hundreds of years later on a planet which remembers voyager as bloodthirsty invaders or something.

That's a great episode. Another good one is the one where they get caught in a weird planet's magnetic field, and time goes really fast on the surface so they watch a civilisation grow and develop.