Night In The Woods dev accused of sexual assault/rape EDIT: Dies of apparent suicide.

kerr9000 wrote:You can be a feminist without being left but the new extreme left essentially accepts feminism as its less about trying to sort the world out and more about seeming all woke and more evolved and scoring points and being a better human.

For me being left wing was writing for the college socialist workers magazine trying to unite people reaching out to people who didn't know any ideas other than the mainstream, joining the Anti Nazi League and breaking up hate marches and providing talks on the Holocaust so people can't deny it so easily, attending pride despite being straight to show solidarity, mentoring low income kids and showing them education is for all, Now its all about drinking soy Latte's and trying to deny people the right to think anyway other than you do from what I can see and it makes a mockery of what's been done in the past

Is it though? What makes you think this is the case?

@Taf: The sad thing is I suppose you never really know someone well enough online to be 100% sure they'll never have a brain implosion and go buy a fedora.

Fade's views as summarised in my last post are pretty easy to pick apart. Let's refute it sentence by sentence (the following is what I actually believe):

Corroborated stories that demonstrate a pattern of behaviour are clearly likely to be true. It's truly bizarre that people insist on continuing to defend abusers even after they admit to misbehaviour. The expectation that women can only speak ill of creeps after getting a legal judgement is totally disconnected from how normal social interactions work: your reputation is based on how you conduct yourself and how other people therefore speak of you. Clearly "you are a creep" is not a legal ruling. If you use this flawed logic to bury your head in the sand when you hear a claim of harassment you are essentially siding with the harasser over the harassed.

Being far-left is good but you don't have to be a "frothing far-left ideologue" to believe women, in fact it's one of the things even pretty milquetoast centrists often get right.

kerr9000 wrote:You can be a feminist without being left but the new extreme left essentially accepts feminism as its less about trying to sort the world out and more about seeming all woke and more evolved and scoring points and being a better human.

For me being left wing was writing for the college socialist workers magazine trying to unite people reaching out to people who didn't know any ideas other than the mainstream, joining the Anti Nazi League and breaking up hate marches and providing talks on the Holocaust so people can't deny it so easily, attending pride despite being straight to show solidarity, mentoring low income kids and showing them education is for all, Now its all about drinking soy Latte's and trying to deny people the right to think anyway other than you do from what I can see and it makes a mockery of what's been done in the past

Soyboy beta cucks

Karl_ wrote:@Taf: The sad thing is I suppose you never really know someone well enough online to be 100% sure they'll never have a brain implosion and go buy a fedora.

Sorry Like I say, I think it was the last bit that threw me off as I generally bow to your knowledge of such things. The world got a lot colder for a moment there.

Just sent Fade a long-ass DM trying to explain the concept of evidence weighting and the significance of bias in Western law but who knows at this point.

Nah, you're alright. The blame with misinterpreted sarcasm always falls on the poster, not the reader. I should've turned it up to 11.

Winckle wrote:

kerr9000 wrote:You can be a feminist without being left but the new extreme left essentially accepts feminism as its less about trying to sort the world out and more about seeming all woke and more evolved and scoring points and being a better human.

For me being left wing was writing for the college socialist workers magazine trying to unite people reaching out to people who didn't know any ideas other than the mainstream, joining the Anti Nazi League and breaking up hate marches and providing talks on the Holocaust so people can't deny it so easily, attending pride despite being straight to show solidarity, mentoring low income kids and showing them education is for all, Now its all about drinking soy Latte's and trying to deny people the right to think anyway other than you do from what I can see and it makes a mockery of what's been done in the past

Is it though? What makes you think this is the case?

You only have to look through this thread the moment someone thinks slightly different there talked all over and pushed to the side and basically made fun of. That's not the way you win hearts and minds, you want to pass your view on and make people think then you talk, you listen, you ask questions, you answer questions and you have a two sided discourse. What happens here is people slap those who think like them on the back and shoot anyone else down, which just makes people feel excluded and hurt and then is more likely to make them think your view is full of BS, and is likely to harm both your view point and this forum. You want this place to shrink and just be somewhere people who think alike all congratulate each other for being so right then we are headed in the right direction.

I give my opinion but I'm the first to admit I don't know it all but that's the path to knowledge first admit what you don't know and don't be scared to listen.

You're genuinely welcome to post your views Kerr. I don't think anyone is out to silence you.

I am a young(ish) anarchosyndicalist. As a movement (I'm not saying I personally do all this!) we do all the things you did when you were a young activist. We have blogs and podcasts (basically zines and student radio!), we put up stickers, we organise marches, we go to Pride, we help people unionise. I have a link in my signature which is directing people on here towards protests; it's nothing big, just a little bit of activism to help spread an anti-far-right message. I'm not personally very good at talking to people but there are plenty of us engaged in deradicalisation work, trying to get Nazis to change their ways and leave hate groups. We probably have more in common than you think. I even have real milk in my lattes.

kerr9000 wrote:You only have to look through this thread the moment someone thinks slightly different there talked all over and pushed to the side and basically made fun of. That's not the way you win hearts and minds, you want to pass your view on and make people think then you talk, you listen, you ask questions, you answer questions and you have a two sided discourse. What happens here is people slap those who think like them on the back and shoot anyone else down, which just makes people feel excluded and hurt and then is more likely to make them think your view is full of BS, and is likely to harm both your view point and this forum...

I can understand your thinking here, kerr, and I do agree with it. Terms such as "apologist" and "intolerable", alongside comments such as "centrist steed", "strawberry float me the people you interact with on this place" and "we can all pretend Fade stopped replying" amongst other things, would suggest that there are some closed minds. Are they reasonable or aggressive? As a forum member that's not my call but, yeah, I don't believe that they really help the discussion. No-one, to my mind, has posted anything suggesting acceptance, approval or validation of the assaults but it does feel that anyone who indicates that any and all evidence should be looked at is then portrayed as an imbecile.

I can kinda roll with this, though, as - hey! - it's just somebody on the forum who has a different opinion to me. I don't like their approach or conversational style but, as we all know, we're free to use the block function if we wish to or we can just ignore them. I'm sure that a few people have blocked me! One thing that I do find frustrating, though, is this response from Karl to kerr:

karl_ wrote:You won't get a satisfactory response if you're this vague. Don't be a coward, if it's someone here name them, if it's a tweet post it.

I was immediately a little surprised and - I admit - very angry about it. I held off from posting a sharp response as it would have been in haste. I think I found it more annoying because it felt like - in terms of wording and tone - that it was posted in support of those very posts that mic, Fade, kerr and I received. Now, several days on and looking at how this thread has developed, I feel it's right to challenge it.

karl_ wrote:It takes courage to be direct, to say what you actually mean and accept the risk that people might disagree, but discussions are far more worthwhile if everyone does that. That's all I meant!

I get this thinking, Karl, and, based on my interactions with you, I believe it was probably meant in a positive way. However, to bandy around terms like "coward" and indicate a lack of "courage" in Kerr's posts, whilst Tafdolphin can seemingly post and respond in any fashion he chooses, seems odd and, I feel, unfair.

Even so, I recognise that the mods have a difficult job and I don't expect hand-holding. It feels like either making use of the block function or responding in kind is the way forward.

Trial by social media and video game forums.

Was there ever a police investigation?

Prototype wrote:Trial by social media and video game forums.

Was there ever a police investigation?

Have a reread of the thread as to why this is often an obstructive and unhelpful reaction. Page 2 and 3 specifically.

Prototype wrote:Trial by social media and video game forums.

Was there ever a police investigation?

I think not previously, but there might have been once the allegations had been made. Probably one of the things Alec wanted to avoid.

@Jawa: I'm not sure what you mean. As you saw, I clarified the intent and context behind what I said to Kerr in my next post, and surely the interactions since then have shown that I don't have any hostile intent towards him (to make it clear, I like Kerr), so I'm afraid I'm a bit confused as to why I've upset you. I am sorry that I did upset you, regardless.

Nope, not appropriate.

This is obviously off-topic but I think it would be good if you both used the ignore function and had some kind of pact to never reply to each other under any circumstances. I'm not blaming either in particular, but from an outside perspective it's clearly reached the point where it's a personal feud now.

Karl_ wrote:This is obviously off-topic but I think it would be good if you both used the ignore function and had some kind of pact to never reply to each other under any circumstances. I'm not blaming either in particular, but from an outside perspective it's clearly reached the point where it's a personal feud now.

Weren't we making them each different versions of threads?


(Sorry. Like to poke. Not that sorry. But kinda sorry. Call it 4 out of 10 sorry)

Karl_ wrote:This is obviously off-topic but I think it would be good if you both used the ignore function and had some kind of pact to never reply to each other under any circumstances. I'm not blaming either in particular, but from an outside perspective it's clearly reached the point where it's a personal feud now.

I've deleted my reply as it's not relevant to the topic. As for the above, I have my reasons why I can't just ignore jawa's posting style. The withertos and whyfors, again, aren't for this thread however.

Tafdolphin wrote:The withertos and whyfors

brb found my new band name

Tafdolphin wrote:The withertos and whyfors, again

Name for the second album too!

OrangeRKN wrote:

Tafdolphin wrote:The withertos and whyfors

brb found my new band name

I think Tolkien's estate are a little...litigious

Edit - I mean I think I heard a story somewhere that some people have that impression of Tolkien's estate

Yeah, Sam'll strawberry float you up good Orange. Watch out.

Hexx wrote:

Karl_ wrote:This is obviously off-topic but I think it would be good if you both used the ignore function and had some kind of pact to never reply to each other under any circumstances. I'm not blaming either in particular, but from an outside perspective it's clearly reached the point where it's a personal feud now.

Weren't we making them each different versions of threads?


(Sorry. Like to poke. Not that sorry. But kinda sorry. Call it 4 out of 10 sorry)

Sure, and this got its own separate thread from the Night in the Woods Thread, so the system is working.