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Re: Oil protesters throw soup on the glass protecting Van Gogh's Sunflowers painting

Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2022 4:15 pm
by Moggy
site23 wrote:
Moggy wrote:
site23 wrote:If you went back and told Van Gogh about this incident, I'm sure he would have said, "Waar heb je het over? Waarom zijn je kleren zo raar?" and I think that's really beautiful.


Nah, he'd be saying "Dus ze kreeg de topbaan, vermoordde de koningin en ontsloeg haar minnaar, allemaal binnen een paar weken?"


I haven't been following parliamentary politics very closely over the last few weeks, what I'm getting from this post is that Truss is involved is some kind of centuries-long Assassin's Creed style conspiracy. Maybe I should turn on the news.


A Lib Dem assassin snuck into the Tory party, murdered the head of state, stabbed their ex-lover in the back and then encouraged soup vigilantism.

Re: Oil protesters throw soup on the glass protecting Van Gogh's Sunflowers painting

Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2022 4:17 pm
by Preezy
Moggy wrote:
OrangeRKN wrote:I like to think Van Gogh would have been anti-megathread and pro-soup


Pro-soup? You're getting confused with Warhol.

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Re: Oil protesters throw soup on the glass protecting Van Gogh's Sunflowers painting

Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2022 4:19 pm
by Moggy
Preezy wrote:
Moggy wrote:
OrangeRKN wrote:I like to think Van Gogh would have been anti-megathread and pro-soup


Pro-soup? You're getting confused with Warhol.

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Re: [Rules p.1] Things that annoy you. NGL, Lotus lives his best life and drops his latest annoyance, (p552)!

Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2022 4:54 pm
by Rocsteady
site23 wrote:MLK was one of the most hated men in America at the peak of the civil rights movement. Protests do not exist to chase short-term popularity. Temporarily and harmlessly obscuring a painting is one of the most mild forms of protest I can think of - if you are against this then there clearly isn't any form of protest moderate enough to satisfy you. Climate change is going to kill or displace billions of people. It is going to cause immeasurable suffering and unfathomable destruction. It is already in full swing and not one single person alive today can escape its impact - it's already here. Capitalism is a death cult, and the fact that these meek and polite protests are all we currently have to resist it makes me feel pure abject terror.

Guess you could call that a "Thing That Annoys Me".

Also, I thought we had a rule against posting political content in this thread?

Aye, pretty much this.

Re: Oil protesters throw soup on the glass protecting Van Gogh's Sunflowers painting

Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2022 5:50 pm
by Captain Kinopio
OrangeRKN wrote:Vincent can Broth*

*This joke only works if you pronounce Gogh incorrectly


Vincent tin of Soup, works better.

Re: Oil protesters throw soup on the glass protecting Van Gogh's Sunflowers painting

Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2022 6:42 pm
by Stugene
They're an intelligence agency controlled agent provocateur group.

Re: [Rules p.1] Things that annoy you. NGL, Lotus lives his best life and drops his latest annoyance, (p552)!

Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2022 6:50 pm
by Squinty
Tomous wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Squinty wrote:
Ironhide wrote:While I agree with the message behind the protests, I think the acts of petty vandalism actively do damage to their cause by turning the general population against them.


I agree. You want to make people sympathetic to your cause. They aren't doing this.


People really care that much about some glass?



A lot of the media are reporting it in a way that doesn't make it at all clear the painting wasn't damaged, for obvious (and dishonest reasons). I can understand people being upset initially but can't fathom people still being upset once they find out it's behind glass and no damage was caused


I didn't realise it wasn't damaged. So that's my bad.

Re: Oil protesters throw soup on the glass protecting Van Gogh's Sunflowers painting

Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2022 6:51 pm
by Clarkman
I wrote the following on this -

My hot take is that environmental activism cannot succeed when its primary goal is to bait headlines. Public awareness is not the issue (especially among those who are indignant about attacks on art). In every instance of major change where collective action succeeds, it is driven by the public's fury regarding a deep injustice having been perpetuated/enabled. Framing climate change as a political & corporate abuse/betrayal of trust is a much more powerful catalyst to engendering shifts in policy. Stunts at galleries and football matches are a distraction, misdirecting indignation towards those who appear to seek to centre themselves in the dialogue. Radical acts achieve radical headlines, but real change is slow and boring and anonymous and boundless.

Re: Oil protesters throw soup on the glass protecting Van Gogh's Sunflowers painting

Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2022 7:09 pm
by speedboatchase
The problem with this type of protest is that my - and I think a few people’s reactions - are at first anger. Then you learn a bit and you’re OK that’s the reasoning. But most people will start at anger and a lot won’t even differentiate between this protest and another. There has to be a better way. Thankfully the artwork is fine. Otherwise would be a bit too ISIS in Mosul Museum for me.

Re: Oil protesters throw soup on the glass protecting Van Gogh's Sunflowers painting

Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2022 7:10 pm
by Ironhide
Stugene wrote:They're an intelligence agency controlled agent provocateur group.


Never had you down as a conspiracy theorist.

Re: Oil protesters throw soup on the glass protecting Van Gogh's Sunflowers painting

Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2022 7:12 pm
by Captain Kinopio
Clarkman wrote:I wrote the following on this -

My hot take is that environmental activism cannot succeed when its primary goal is to bait headlines. Public awareness is not the issue (especially among those who are indignant about attacks on art). In every instance of major change where collective action succeeds, it is driven by the public's fury regarding a deep injustice having been perpetuated/enabled. Framing climate change as a political & corporate abuse/betrayal of trust is a much more powerful catalyst to engendering shifts in policy. Stunts at galleries and football matches are a distraction, misdirecting indignation towards those who appear to seek to centre themselves in the dialogue. Radical acts achieve radical headlines, but real change is slow and boring and anonymous and boundless.


I suppose they would argue we don’t have time to be slow.

Re: [Rules p.1] Things that annoy you. NGL, Lotus lives his best life and drops his latest annoyance, (p552)!

Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2022 7:24 pm
by more heat than light
site23 wrote:MLK was one of the most hated men in America at the peak of the civil rights movement. Protests do not exist to chase short-term popularity. Temporarily and harmlessly obscuring a painting is one of the most mild forms of protest I can think of - if you are against this then there clearly isn't any form of protest moderate enough to satisfy you. Climate change is going to kill or displace billions of people. It is going to cause immeasurable suffering and unfathomable destruction. It is already in full swing and not one single person alive today can escape its impact - it's already here. Capitalism is a death cult, and the fact that these meek and polite protests are all we currently have to resist it makes me feel pure abject terror.


Do you mind if I nab this to annoy some Facebook friends? It's bang on, and describes my thoughts more succinctly than I could ever write myself.

Re: Oil protesters throw soup on the glass protecting Van Gogh's Sunflowers painting

Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2022 7:25 pm
by coldspice

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Re: [Rules p.1] Things that annoy you. NGL, Lotus lives his best life and drops his latest annoyance, (p552)!

Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2022 7:29 pm
by Moggy
more heat than light wrote:
site23 wrote:MLK was one of the most hated men in America at the peak of the civil rights movement. Protests do not exist to chase short-term popularity. Temporarily and harmlessly obscuring a painting is one of the most mild forms of protest I can think of - if you are against this then there clearly isn't any form of protest moderate enough to satisfy you. Climate change is going to kill or displace billions of people. It is going to cause immeasurable suffering and unfathomable destruction. It is already in full swing and not one single person alive today can escape its impact - it's already here. Capitalism is a death cult, and the fact that these meek and polite protests are all we currently have to resist it makes me feel pure abject terror.


Do you mind if I nab this to annoy some Facebook friends? It's bang on, and describes my thoughts more succinctly than I could ever write myself.


An example of the cartoons of the time.

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Re: Oil protesters throw soup on the glass protecting Van Gogh's Sunflowers painting

Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2022 7:33 pm
by Stugene
Ironhide wrote:
Stugene wrote:They're an intelligence agency controlled agent provocateur group.


Never had you down as a conspiracy theorist.

They literally don't make sense in any other way.

Re: Oil protesters throw soup on the glass protecting Van Gogh's Sunflowers painting

Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2022 7:34 pm
by Jenuall
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Re: Oil protesters throw soup on the glass protecting Van Gogh's Sunflowers painting

Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2022 8:23 pm
by Ironhide
Stugene wrote:
Ironhide wrote:
Stugene wrote:They're an intelligence agency controlled agent provocateur group.


Never had you down as a conspiracy theorist.

They literally don't make sense in any other way.


It does seem like a fairly random target and method of protest when you think about it..

Re: [Rules p.1] Things that annoy you. NGL, Lotus lives his best life and drops his latest annoyance, (p552)!

Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2022 8:39 pm
by site23
more heat than light wrote:Do you mind if I nab this to annoy some Facebook friends? It's bang on, and describes my thoughts more succinctly than I could ever write myself.

Of course, no worries. It's comforting that you and other people on here understand my fears and frustrations! (You may want to rephrase it to be a bit more mild for a Facebook audience though - I don't know if "capitalism is a death cult" could get your account flagged...)

Re: [Rules p.1] Things that annoy you. NGL, Lotus lives his best life and drops his latest annoyance, (p552)!

Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2022 11:30 pm
by Yubel
Moggy wrote:
Squinty wrote:
Ironhide wrote:While I agree with the message behind the protests, I think the acts of petty vandalism actively do damage to their cause by turning the general population against them.


I agree. You want to make people sympathetic to your cause. They aren't doing this.


People really care that much about some glass?


A Van Gogh painting - one of the most famous paintings in history - has nothing to do with this protest, surely. I don't care what their intentions are, that doesn't give you license to commit acts of vandalism.

EDIT: and additionally, even if the painting wasn't damaged, this is still anti-social behaviour worth condemning. We should be better than this.

Re: [Rules p.1] Things that annoy you. NGL, Lotus lives his best life and drops his latest annoyance, (p552)!

Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2022 11:54 pm
by Moggy
Yubel wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Squinty wrote:
Ironhide wrote:While I agree with the message behind the protests, I think the acts of petty vandalism actively do damage to their cause by turning the general population against them.


I agree. You want to make people sympathetic to your cause. They aren't doing this.


People really care that much about some glass?


A Van Gogh painting - one of the most famous paintings in history - has nothing to do with this protest, surely. I don't care what their intentions are, that doesn't give you license to commit acts of vandalism.

EDIT: and additionally, even if the painting wasn't damaged, this is still anti-social behaviour worth condemning. We should be better than this.


The painting wasn't damaged.

You say "we" should be better than this. Who is "we"? I know you don't mean me and you personally, but do you really think all of humanity thinks/acts the same way? That all environmentalists agree on the correct way to protest?

Personally I wouldn't do anything like this, but it's not exactly a major crime that soup was poured on glass. It offends me far less than the way certain people refer to refugees.