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Damn.

They all went to Eton, everyone knows the same laws don't apply to them as to the rest of us.

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That was posted less than 3 months ago. :lol:

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A dozen Tory rebels is enough, but how sad that it's only a dozen in the face of a mortal threat to our democracy. The "average" Conservative MPs are showing themselves to be nothing more than far-right opportunists.

Everybody is an opportunist in some respects. Talk that opposition won't back Corbyn as they don't want him as caretaker PM is them putting their own party before the country. Corbyn refusing to back a second ref is him putting ambition ahead of the country. And obviously the Tories don't want to lose power.

Sounds like he’s expecting defeat tomorrow

Can say he didn’t extend etc Parliament did, and they go into a people vs parliament GE

If they secure the votes for this current strategy though, would Johnson then secure enough votes for a GE? A PM hamstrung by parliament is better than a hard right Tory/Brexit party alliance.

I'm slightly concerned that Cummings is doing 4D chess and he's actually going to strawberry float us all over.

Then again, he might be strawberry floating incompetent. Hard to know.

I think I'm missing something - why does calling a general election if MPs pass the extension bill help Boris? I mean, yes, he might win a majority, but there would still be a law in place obliging him to ask for an extension. Or does he then try and immediately repeal it using his new majority? Would that even work, given parliament is likely to still be anti no-deal? Or will he call an election as cover for him filibustering the bill in the Lords?

Also worth noting that the Tories have a decent polling lead :dread:

The Tories had a decent poll lead last time and were generally united behind May. This time they are split like hell. The best a GE can do is another hung parliament depending on one factor.

It all depends on the kind of campaign Boris goes for. Because I can see him going for a highly inflammatory campaign the likes we haven't seen before. That is the only way I can see him gaining a majority.

captain red dog wrote:The Tories had a decent poll lead last time and were generally united behind May. This time they are split like hell. The best a GE can do is another hung parliament depending on one factor.

It all depends on the kind of campaign Boris goes for. Because I can see him going for a highly inflammatory campaign the likes we haven't seen before. That is the only way I can see him gaining a majority.

I wish I believed you, but I really think he might be able to pull off a majority.

It's going to be a gooseberry fool show of the highest order, a real race to the bottom.

They'll walk it. It's game over boys.

captain red dog wrote:The Tories had a decent poll lead last time and were generally united behind May. This time they are split like hell. The best a GE can do is another hung parliament depending on one factor.

I reckon the opposite, actually. I think that they'll unite all the Leavers behind their party, and position the GE as an issue of definitely leaving on October 31st or Brexit being lost to parliamentary squabbling. They'll position it as parliament versus "the people's will" and that they are the only party to deliver the latter.

I think a lot of people in the Conservative heartlands won't be able to vote Labour. They'll still turn Blue. But Johnson's position on Brexit means a lot of red Sears in the North will swing back to him.

It's the opposition I feel that is split. I think if Johnson goes hardline on Brexit, which he has to do or the Brexit Party will leech votes, then it'll be the Remain parties that suffer because of Farage's lot. I can't see the Lib Dems, SNP and Labour coherently working together and they'll be fighting for the same seats a lot of the time. And the Lib Dems and Labour (and Corbyn) all have different views on what they want and what they want Brexit to be.

The hope is that Johnson decides to try and play to both sides and goes into an election saying he wants a deal. Farage then says it’s not proper Brexit and stands the BP against the Tories.

Unfortunately I don’t think that’ll happen.

Hopefully Labour, Lib Dem’s and Greens work together to avoid splitting the Remain/anti-No Deal vote.

Unfortunately I don’t think that’ll happen.

Yeah, I think Parksey is right. This is going to be played out as Tories and Brexit party alliance being the only way Brexit happens, that'll be an easy sell as you can't do the same for Labour and the Lib Dems who have wildly different views on their endgame. Brexit party will be for the northern, working class seats where the likes of RM and Johnson won't play as well. Corbyn just doesn't speak to those areas even though his message is the one that will most benefit them. Labour, under Corbyn, will not win this election.

Labour aren't going to win an election with Corbyn in charge. It ain't happening.

Parksey wrote:It's the opposition I feel that is split. I think if Johnson goes hardline on Brexit, which he has to do or the Brexit Party will leech votes, then it'll be the Remain parties that suffer because of Farage's lot. I can't see the Lib Dems, SNP and Labour coherently working together and they'll be fighting for the same seats a lot of the time. And the Lib Dems and Labour (and Corbyn) all have different views on what they want and what they want Brexit to be.

Exactly this.

I think we're strawberry floated.

Farage has already stated his mob will stand down against (presumably) the Conservative safe seats if Boris confirms No-Deal in an election...

We are completely screwed in this...

Squinty wrote:Labour aren't going to win an election with Corbyn in charge. It ain't happening.

Bloody hope he doesn't get into power. He will screw over the middle classes.

It might be better just coming out of europe and seeing what happens. Surely it won't be as bad as people say? We have to leave even if a lot of people don't want to anymore. Another vote would be good, but then is that democracy? There should never have been a referendum, but we cannot go back now.

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