Suspension of democracy ruled unlawful by Supreme Court | Parliament NOT prorogued | Election November?

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by Squinty » Tue Sep 03, 2019 5:19 pm

Sorry to hear about that Gecko. I had wondered how your business is doing with the pound collapsing to strawberry float.

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by Green Gecko » Tue Sep 03, 2019 5:26 pm

It doesn't look too bad on paper. But when you look at the changes over the past 5 years (during which my business has been developing). It's things like a few outgoings charged in $ (or companies with $ bank accounts simply charging the cost of conversion to £ - the currency you're billed in isn't always what matters) becoming more and more expensive as the £ collapses, suppliers increasing prices after years subsidising increasing costs on their end from raw materials originating in Europe, industry specific machinery made overseas becoming more expensive. All too much of a coincidence. So examples of small monthly outgoings racking up over time, and capital assets squandering, or getting more expensive to replace/upgrade/maintain/acquire (so the "big ticket" things) all adding up to less healthy budgets. That makes it harder for my business to grow as one that depends on materials and equipment.

It's something you can and will deal with, but it's very annoying to think, "why is this happening?" and there's absolutely strawberry float all you can do about it except cast your vote and hope the rest of the nation aren't strawberry floating clueless about that little microcosm we call the economy impacting on the local business they buy from and purport to support.

There is one, ONE good thing about a poor £. It makes things look "cheaper" overseas, meaning you can (a) increase your price and/or (b) sell more. But what does that actually mean? More paperwork and cost exporting, and more expensive items for domestic customers. There is literally nothing good domestically about a weak £ - unless you don't actually live here or own a business that specialises in export (I had one friend who tried to convince me this was a good thing - they "collect" i.e. hoard vintage guitars in the UK and ship them to the USA for profit. What a chancer. strawberry float these types who don't do any real work and just play with numbers pretending this is a good thing.)

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by OrangeRKN » Wed Sep 04, 2019 10:33 am

"Scottish judge rejects bid to have PM's plan to shut down parliament ahead of Brexit deadline declared illegal."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland- ... s-49568760

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by Rex Kramer » Wed Sep 04, 2019 10:37 am

Was there ever really a belief that what he was doing was illegal? My impression was it was just 'bad form' and given so much of parliamentary business seems to work on faith and things being done that way because that's how it as, as opposed to thinks actually being illegal.

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by Karl_ » Wed Sep 04, 2019 10:43 am

I think most people thought it probably wasn't illegal as things are, but in a sense it is absolutely bonkers that it isn't illegal.

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by Moggy » Wed Sep 04, 2019 10:45 am

Karl_ wrote:I think most people thought it probably wasn't illegal as things are, but in a sense it is absolutely bonkers that it isn't illegal.


Yeah I agree with that. It isn’t illegal but it bloody well should be.

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by OrangeRKN » Wed Sep 04, 2019 10:51 am

+1 to the above

It being confirmed by a court as okay to do is a pretty clear indication that the system is wrong.

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by Jenuall » Wed Sep 04, 2019 10:59 am

I agree that this is dodgy as strawberry float and shouldn't be allowed, but what would the new law that stops this need to look like exactly?

"Cannot prorogue parliament within X days of something really bad happening if parliament happened to be prorogued at that time?"

Not sure that would stand up to scrutiny!

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by Moggy » Wed Sep 04, 2019 11:02 am

Jenuall wrote:I agree that this is dodgy as strawberry float and shouldn't be allowed, but what would the new law that stops this need to look like exactly?

"Cannot prorogue parliament within X days of something really bad happening if parliament happened to be prorogued at that time?"

Not sure that would stand up to scrutiny!


“Parliament can only be prorogued with a majority vote in the House”

Most governments could then do it if needed, but minority governments like Johnson’s couldn’t.

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by Jenuall » Wed Sep 04, 2019 11:05 am

Moggy wrote:
Jenuall wrote:I agree that this is dodgy as strawberry float and shouldn't be allowed, but what would the new law that stops this need to look like exactly?

"Cannot prorogue parliament within X days of something really bad happening if parliament happened to be prorogued at that time?"

Not sure that would stand up to scrutiny!


“Parliament can only be prorogued with a majority vote in the House”

Most governments could then do it if needed, but minority governments like Johnson’s couldn’t.

Could work, although I suspect there will be ways of abusing this as well, although a situation where the impact of that would be anywhere near as dire as this one are pretty much impossible to come up with.

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by OrangeRKN » Wed Sep 04, 2019 11:08 am

Moggy wrote:“Parliament can only be prorogued with a majority vote in the House”


Yeah sounds sensible enough

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by Moggy » Wed Sep 04, 2019 11:09 am

Jenuall wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Jenuall wrote:I agree that this is dodgy as strawberry float and shouldn't be allowed, but what would the new law that stops this need to look like exactly?

"Cannot prorogue parliament within X days of something really bad happening if parliament happened to be prorogued at that time?"

Not sure that would stand up to scrutiny!


“Parliament can only be prorogued with a majority vote in the House”

Most governments could then do it if needed, but minority governments like Johnson’s couldn’t.

Could work, although I suspect there will be ways of abusing this as well, although a situation where the impact of that would be anywhere near as dire as this one are pretty much impossible to come up with.


There are always ways of abusing things, especially when it comes to lying untrustworthy bastards like Johnson.

But a majority vote in the House would be hard to argue with.

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by Jenuall » Wed Sep 04, 2019 11:10 am

Moggy wrote:
Jenuall wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Jenuall wrote:I agree that this is dodgy as strawberry float and shouldn't be allowed, but what would the new law that stops this need to look like exactly?

"Cannot prorogue parliament within X days of something really bad happening if parliament happened to be prorogued at that time?"

Not sure that would stand up to scrutiny!


“Parliament can only be prorogued with a majority vote in the House”

Most governments could then do it if needed, but minority governments like Johnson’s couldn’t.

Could work, although I suspect there will be ways of abusing this as well, although a situation where the impact of that would be anywhere near as dire as this one are pretty much impossible to come up with.


There are always ways of abusing things, especially when it comes to lying untrustworthy bastards like Johnson.

But a majority vote in the House would be hard to argue with.

Agreed, and it's a sure as gooseberry fool better than the situation we have now.

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by Winckle » Wed Sep 04, 2019 12:11 pm

Hexx wrote:

I'm sure both Young Tory members will be in attendance.

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by Rex Kramer » Wed Sep 04, 2019 12:12 pm

Winckle wrote:
Hexx wrote:

I'm sure both Young Tory members will be in attendance.

What about To(r)by Young?

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by Winckle » Wed Sep 04, 2019 12:19 pm

Rex Kramer wrote:
Winckle wrote:
Hexx wrote:

I'm sure both Young Tory members will be in attendance.

What about To(r)by Young?

Toby "My Daddy called Oxford to get me a place" Young?
Toby "I don't think friends are real because no-one came to my stag do" Young?
Toby "I believe in eugenics" Young?

Oh yeah him. I think he's against a second vote.

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by Dannie Lennox » Wed Sep 04, 2019 12:20 pm

PurplePenguin wrote:But you cannot for one minute look at this whole situation and think there hasn't been a core of pro-remain MP's in a number of parties that have sort to undermine the whole thing so that we remain in the EU.


Those bloody pro Remain MPs, voting to trigger Article 50.

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by Cuttooth » Wed Sep 04, 2019 12:24 pm


This is still one of my favourite self owns of modern times. :lol:

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