Star Trek: Picard. Paramount+ and Prime Video. Series Finale out now.

Peter Crisp wrote:
Lex-Man wrote:Say Qapla' again, I dare you.

Honestly, how the hell do you think that Star Trek went woke?

I have no idea as I tend to not think about Trek in that sort of way.
It's just strawberry floating amazing telly is what it is .

But it was written to be socially conscience. Star Trek was always woke.

Lex-Man wrote:But it was written to be socially conscience. Star Trek was always woke.

Yep, I've never had a problem with the politics of Trek as it always seemed pretty tame really.
They had same sex relationships but why should that be more shocking than humans dating aliens?
Religion has been shown but I can't remember any single religion being preferred so that wasn't a problem.

The most obvious aspect is the lack of money which some might think is Communist but screw those guys as it's just about the show being an aspirational view of the future.

My limited understanding of it is that they don't like that Discovery/Picard seems to be far more in-your-face about it than older Trek was.
Beyond that I couldn't say. I don't have time for those wankers.

For me it's enough to say that Discovery and Picard suck because they're poorly written.

Yep, I have a problem with the plot not making sense.
The politics are not the issue.

It's also a Trek show where they aren't in bloody space for most of the time :slol:

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I also don't care if that's a stupid reason to dislike the show

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Cheeky Devlin wrote:My limited understanding of it is that they don't like that Discovery/Picard seems to be far more in-your-face about it than older Trek was.
Beyond that I couldn't say. I don't have time for those wankers.

For me it's enough to say that Discovery and Picard suck because they're poorly written.

I always thought the original stuff was pretty in your face, although I've spoken to people who seem pretty oblivious to the metafores.

Finally caught up with last week's episode, I literally have no idea what I'm watching now! :lol:

It's definitely in hot mess territory at this point, but there's something compelling about it in a "strawberry float it, let's just switch off and enjoy the ride" kind of way.

Pissed me off that Picard's dad kept calling him "John" instead of "Jean" though. Surely your own dad would get your strawberry floating name right!? Maybe that's why he hates him :lol:

This weeks episode was a bit of a step up and there feels like there's stakes again.

Aw hell, gooseberry fool's getting real now. It's the Borginning of the end.

I enjoyed that. Feels like the endgame is going to be that Q’s attempt to find meaning at the end of his life is in helping Picard move past his trauma and fear of commitment. He might well turn out to be Picard’s best mate. :lol:

hmm what is that guy from the 29th century (Relativity episode Voyager) doing pretending to be a cop and arresting them?

Quotes from the general Trek thread:

Hexx wrote:Picard 2x09

Buckle up Buttercups. We're going to new depths of terrible. NO ONE had better ever accuse Voyager of ruining the borg again

God it was worse than I'd feared. :dread:

I mean they know we wanted to see the Borg right? Proper Borg drones. So how do they strawberry float it up like this? "Oh but they've got green laser beams! Remember? The Borg had laser beams!" I presume they were linked in some way but they never showed anything like that.
Why even bother going to the trouble of "assimilating" them if you're just going to have them act like normal mercs anyway? Would it have killed them to make them look more like actual Borg? How much better would it have been to have them hiding from some proper drones in that house. Complete with Soong there all dressed in black as well which would have been a great callback to Descent.
They strawberry floated it up. A complete misstep and probably the final straw for me. The people writing this don't have a strawberry floating clue what they are doing. The reference to seeing his mother and offering a cup of tea seemed to have been put in simply to reassure us that "someone" on the writing staff has actually watched TNG at some point. They stumble from situation to situation with no real rhyme or reason and solutions are plucked out of thin strawberry floating air 90% of the time. Agnes randomly summoning a hologram of Elnor, then telling the Queen he has the encryption key she needs (Why would you do and tell her that?) was one of several "Oh just strawberry float off" moment today.

RetroCora wrote:OK, so the way they've gotten to this development is sloppy as hell, but...I don't hate it? I think that Star Trek is supposed to be hopeful, and optimistic, and if even they can aspire to better then maybe that's not the worst thing? This season has been horribly written and very messy in places, but it has had good ideas, IMO. I just wish they'd been better implemented.

My theory for Q's motives is that he's dying or ascending or moving to a new plane of existence or whatever, and with the last of his time he wanted to finish the "project" he started in Encounter at Farpoint, and also help Picard move past his generational (lol dyswidt) trauma to build relationships better going forward. I like to think that he thinks he's Picard's best mate. And next season will be about rebuilding the relationship between him and the TNG cast.

I don't like it at all to be honest. The strawberry floating Borg are swayed away from their primary purpose by Agnes-fucking-Jurati of all people? This entire season was a chance for them to "fix" the Borg and make them a real threat again. Instead it just made them even lamer.

I agree with you that Star Trek is supposed to be optimistic, hopeful and aspirational, but this didn't feel earned at all. Much like everything else it was plucked from thin air.
Plus there's the fact that both live-action Nu-Trek shows are among the most miserable, grim versions of Star Trek out there.
Everyone is depressed, with some repressed trauma. They even made Q, the most light-hearted, mischevious antagonist Picard faces in the whole of TNG, dark and miserly. The same being who whisked the Enterprise crew off to Merry Olde England to play at Robin Hood, and they turned him into a sour, bitter bastard.

This season began so promisingly, but it's ended up worse than the first one.

I'm watching it out of angry fascination at this point.

I don't think I need to spoiler this.

That was a strawberry floating pile of horseshit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

For the first time in 30 years watching Trek I'm genuinely struggling to find a reason to keep watching.
strawberry floating fuckity strawberry float strawberry float!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Other than that though it's the best show ever.

I actually really enjoyed that :shifty:

I'm sorry, I thought it was cool.

*runs away*

Qikz wrote:I actually really enjoyed that

I'm sorry, I thought it was cool.

*runs away*

I'm not one to judge when people like something I don't, or vice versa. Glad it worked for you.

Cheeky Devlin wrote:
Qikz wrote:I actually really enjoyed that

I'm sorry, I thought it was cool.

*runs away*

I'm not one to judge when people like something I don't, or vice versa. Glad it worked for you.

While I understand it would've been cooler to have them look like more normal drones, before they did it remember that it was imperfect assimilation. Secondly we all knew that the end game was going to end with them back on the Stargazer coming face to face with the borg queen and Picard not self destructing this time so this was always going to lead to the creation of a different kind of borg. I can understand why you wouldn't like that though, but there's always a chance there'll be different factions of borg or maybe a new enemy introduced to replace the borg in that way.

Qikz wrote:I actually really enjoyed that

I'm sorry, I thought it was cool.

*runs away*

You better run

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If I wasn't so lazy I'd hunt you down :capnscotty:

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I don't understand why I'm watching this anymore. I just have questions and I don't feel like they are good questions.

Why have they given Picard this sad backstory.

Why did the borg want to follow Q's, surely they should have just started to assimilate everyone on earth.

Are we actually going to get back to the Borg Queen or is that just going to be skipped over.

Turning the Borg into strawberry floating Space Hippies, are they strawberry floating having a laugh!!!!!
WE ARE THE BORG. WE'VE COME TO DO SOME DECORATING AND MAYBE GIVE YOU A NICE BACKRUB. RESISTANCE IS FUTILE!!!!!!!!!

60% of the Star Trek BBS give the last episode an 8 or above. 10% think it's worth a ten. Clearly you're wrong Peter.

Lex-Man wrote:60% of the Star Trek BBS give the last episode an 8 or above. 10% think it's worth a ten. Clearly you're wrong Peter.

How can anyone defend that gooseberry fool?
Just for starters, it's a Trek show not set in space.
The story is supposed to be about Q and I'm in it almost as much as he is.

It's about as Star Treky as Doobie Ducks Disco Bus.

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