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PostRe: (PCGT VI) Nvidia 3060 Unhackable Firmware Has Been Hacked
by Xeno » Mon Jun 07, 2021 12:26 pm

Worth a try, they have the F20 bios for your board that includes microcode updates as well.

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PostRe: (PCGT VI) Nvidia 3060 Unhackable Firmware Has Been Hacked
by Zilnad » Mon Jun 07, 2021 2:26 pm

My Ryzen 5 5600X is hitting about 77c while playing Doom 2016 but, from looking online, I gather that's normal. Still, I'm looking forward to the winter months because it starts to get really toasty in this little room.

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PostRe: (PCGT VI) Nvidia 3060 Unhackable Firmware Has Been Hacked
by zXe » Mon Jun 07, 2021 4:39 pm

I've noticed my Ryzen 3600 temps creeping to pretty high levels, 80c-85c when GPU load is like 99% in some games. Which I guess isn't unexpected when running a sub par corsair h60 AIO liquid cooler. What I want to know is what's the deal with these modern Ryzen cpu's and the high core voltages? usually it's on 1.4v but will drop down to 1.38and back. I read that's normal but still seems high. I do generally just use stock bios settings, except for changing to the XMP profile. I don't overlock or manually set my memory/cpu numbers anymore.

Edit - I have a B450 TOMAHAWK MAX using latest BIOS. Also use latest B450 AMD chipset drivers (2.17.25.506).

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PostRe: (PCGT VI) Nvidia 3060 Unhackable Firmware Has Been Hacked
by Albert » Mon Jun 07, 2021 4:46 pm

And done.

Was a lot more of a palava than I expected but that was mostly down to my own stupidity. :fp: I managed to:

- lose one of the brackets that holds the fan in place,
- Use too much paste as it was runnier than expected
- hurt my back as it was on the floor due to me being a lazy arse and not wanting to unplug everything
- spend 20 minutes getting increasingly angry that I can't screw in a screw, to only find it was the wrong screw

Anyway, It did boot up, but doesnt seem to have made any difference. :(

I did a BIOS reset earlier, and the resting temp in BIOS is now 45 rather than 63C so that's something. I wonder if there was some Intel OC going on I wasn't aware of.

Just ran a Timespy 3dMark and it managed to complete, but the temperatures were all over the shop again, with them peaking at 90C towards the end. :(

I might have to accept defeat on this one and take it into a local PC shop to see if they can work out the issue. So Frustrating. :(

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PostRe: (PCGT VI) Nvidia 3060 Unhackable Firmware Has Been Hacked
by Bertie » Mon Jun 07, 2021 4:50 pm

zXe wrote:I've noticed my Ryzen 3600 temps creeping to pretty high levels, 80c-85c when GPU load is like 99% in some games. Which I guess isn't unexpected when running a sub par corsair h60 AIO liquid cooler. What I want to know is what's the deal with these modern Ryzen cpu's and the high core voltages? usually it's on 1.4v but will drop down to 1.38and back. I read that's normal but still seems high. I do generally just use stock bios settings, except for changing to the XMP profile. I don't overlock or manually set my memory/cpu numbers anymore.

Edit - I have a B450 TOMAHAWK MAX using latest BIOS. Also use latest B450 AMD chipset drivers (2.17.25.506).



Same set up. I ran 1.2v and all cores locked at 4.2Ghz for a while and my temps were much better. I was losing a bit of performance without the 4.4Ghz boost but the stock cooler was just not dealing with the temps (case was suffering poor flow too).

But I did read that there are some weird anomalies about what voltage is being read and what it actually is. So I got a better cooler and just went back to stock and let the voltage bounce around. In theory it allows cores to sleep and stoxk is totally safe. Applying an all core overclock and set voltage might degrade the chip (probably not at 1.2 or 1.2v).

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PostRe: (PCGT VI) Nvidia 3060 Unhackable Firmware Has Been Hacked
by Bertie » Mon Jun 07, 2021 4:52 pm

Albear wrote:And done.

Was a lot more of a palava than I expected but that was mostly down to my own stupidity. :fp: I managed to:

- lose one of the brackets that holds the fan in place,
- Use too much paste as it was runnier than expected
- hurt my back as it was on the floor due to me being a lazy arse and not wanting to unplug everything
- spend 20 minutes getting increasingly angry that I can't screw in a screw, to only find it was the wrong screw

Anyway, It did boot up, but doesnt seem to have made any difference. :(

I did a BIOS reset earlier, and the resting temp in BIOS is now 45 rather than 63C so that's something. I wonder if there was some Intel OC going on I wasn't aware of.

Just ran a Timespy 3dMark and it managed to complete, but the temperatures were all over the shop again, with them peaking at 90C towards the end. :(

I might have to accept defeat on this one and take it into a local PC shop to see if they can work out the issue. So Frustrating. :(


It’s great it completed. So that’s an improvement.

Is the case getting enough flow through it? Do you have intake fans at say 60% rpm went cpu temp is at 60ish and 100% at say 70ish?

Same as exhaust?

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PostRe: (PCGT VI) Nvidia 3060 Unhackable Firmware Has Been Hacked
by Albert » Tue Jun 08, 2021 7:56 am

Hmm, not to sure, Never managed to work out how to adjust the fans like that. IS there a good programme you can reccomend that I use to have a tinker?

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PostRe: (PCGT VI) Nvidia 3060 Unhackable Firmware Has Been Hacked
by Jenuall » Tue Jun 08, 2021 9:32 am

You should be able to play around with fan settings in the BIOS - some give you more control than others but it's a good place to start.

As well as looking at the fan profiles have you double checked to make sure that you've definitely got the fans mounted so they are moving air in the right direction?

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PostRe: (PCGT VI) Nvidia 3060 Unhackable Firmware Has Been Hacked
by Bertie » Tue Jun 08, 2021 9:40 am

Albear wrote:Hmm, not to sure, Never managed to work out how to adjust the fans like that. IS there a good programme you can reccomend that I use to have a tinker?


Head into the bios.

They’ll be a ‘hardware monitor’ or something like that. Depends on the board. What do you have?

You’ll want to set all your fans to PWM (I’d already expect them to be). You can set up fan curves linked to system or cpu temp.

Previously I had intake fans that ran at off/50%/100%. The exhaust fan I set based on cpu temp, I.e. 20% at 40c and then 100% at 70c. It just helps with good air flow when you need it.

I’m just surprised that with a Good cooler, a repaste, and check of the fan it’s still hitting high temps. So I’m just wondering whether it’s getting enough flow. Or if there is a multiplier set on the cpu which is overclocking it.

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PostRe: (PCGT VI) Nvidia 3060 Unhackable Firmware Has Been Hacked
by Bertie » Tue Jun 08, 2021 9:41 am

Jenuall wrote:You should be able to play around with fan settings in the BIOS - some give you more control than others but it's a good place to start.

As well as looking at the fan profiles have you double checked to make sure that you've definitely got the fans mounted so they are moving air in the right direction?


There is normally an arrow on them. Or, the label is on the back of the fan is an indicator it is the back and pulling air through the front, towards the label and out.

My bios settings for fans:

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PostRe: (PCGT VI) Nvidia 3060 Unhackable Firmware Has Been Hacked
by Xeno » Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:07 am

Albear wrote:IS there a good programme you can reccomend that I use to have a tinker?



Gigabyte has an app called SIV, you can mess with the fan curves ect there. It is effectively your UEFI settings in windows. You may need to download the app centre first.

https://www.gigabyte.com/uk/Motherboard ... dl-utility

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PostRe: (PCGT VI) Nvidia 3060 Unhackable Firmware Has Been Hacked
by Albert » Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:28 am

THanks all, Really appreciate all your efforts/help on this one! :wub:

I'm convinced the Fan inside my cooler was round the wrong way, so exhausting towards the front fan rather than to the rear, so at least that has been sorted.

Going to have a play with the fans shortly. Never tweaked them so assume they are just sitting at their default.

This is system over the last hour, sitting idle. Average temp is about 38c, and the spikes hit about 55/60c.

The room I'm in is admitedly warm, prob about 25c.

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PostRe: (PCGT VI) Nvidia 3060 Unhackable Firmware Has Been Hacked
by Bertie » Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:31 am

Albear wrote:THanks all, Really appreciate all your efforts/help on this one! :wub:

I'm convinced the Fan inside my cooler was round the wrong way, so exhausting towards the front fan rather than to the rear, so at least that has been sorted.

Going to have a play with the fans shortly. Never tweaked them so assume they are just sitting at their default.

This is system over the last hour, sitting idle. Average temp is about 38c, and the spikes hit about 55/60c.

The room I'm in is admitedly warm, prob about 25c.

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There are 2 on that cooler? Check them both?

Looks MUCH better.

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PostRe: (PCGT VI) Nvidia 3060 Unhackable Firmware Has Been Hacked
by Albert » Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:53 am

Yeah there's one on the front, and then another you insert into the middle. The middle one was pointing the wrong way I think. Need to check them both. :toot:

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PostRe: (PCGT VI) Nvidia 3060 Unhackable Firmware Has Been Hacked
by Albert » Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:57 am

Still a bit worried how high it got when I ran Timespy yesterday. Although I know it was at the point that it was testing the CPU specificly at the end. Is anyone else able to run Timespy and see if they get the same peak?

Also, apologies for taking over this thread with my PC Issues! :oops:

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PostRe: (PCGT VI) Nvidia 3060 Unhackable Firmware Has Been Hacked
by Albert » Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:28 am

Ok so had a tweak with the fans and set them to manual (they were on automatic)

I've set them to run at 75% at 40C and 100% at 50c just to see if that makes a big difference.

I'm beggining to wonder if I have enough fans/ventilation in my case. When poking about I could feel the GFX card giving off a lot of heat, and the Cooler/CPU sit just above.

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Red - CPU
Black - Cooler
Green - GFX
Orange - Fans

All fans are pointing towards the rear of the case.

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PostRe: (PCGT VI) Nvidia 3060 Unhackable Firmware Has Been Hacked
by Jenuall » Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:52 am

Only having a single fan on the front and back is not going to be pushing a huge amount of air through the system (you would probably be wise to add an extra intake on the front and maybe another to pull the air out either on the back or top of the case) but as it stands that shouldn't be enough of a problem to cause it to spike as much as it seems to be doing.

How tidy is the case in general? Have you got got clearance for air flow or are there cables and gooseberry fool everywhere? How tightly packed is everything?

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PostRe: (PCGT VI) Nvidia 3060 Unhackable Firmware Has Been Hacked
by Bertie » Tue Jun 08, 2021 12:41 pm

Jenuall wrote:Only having a single fan on the front and back is not going to be pushing a huge amount of air through the system (you would probably be wise to add an extra intake on the front and maybe another to pull the air out either on the back or top of the case) but as it stands that shouldn't be enough of a problem to cause it to spike as much as it seems to be doing.

How tidy is the case in general? Have you got got clearance for air flow or are there cables and gooseberry fool everywhere? How tightly packed is everything?


Also, what is the front of the case made off? I had a tempered glass front with small vents or fins on the side, it was pulling in a bit of flow, but not loads. I switched to a mesh front and saw a 5c drop. I’ve changed again (pics earlier in the thread) and it’s got a massive air gap at the side (icue 465x).

What is weird is that with your set up you would expect to see higher temps on the GPU as it’s not getting much fresh air. Strange that you are still seeing high CPU temps.

For reference. I have 3 fans pulling in from the front. Top for CPU and bottom for GPU and a single high volume exhaust.

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PostRe: (PCGT VI) Nvidia 3060 Unhackable Firmware Has Been Hacked
by Bertie » Tue Jun 08, 2021 12:42 pm

On your picture, GPUs normally pull air from bottom of the case and then vent out the back. So air does a 90 degree bend.

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PostRe: (PCGT VI) Nvidia 3060 Unhackable Firmware Has Been Hacked
by Albert » Tue Jun 08, 2021 1:03 pm

Front is mesh. Inside case isn't too bad (see below)



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I'm going to point a giant fan into the case and run Timespy again to see if that helps. See if it's an issue with Airflow.


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