PES 2015 - Sometimes you gotta take a step backwards to move forwards

International Superstar Soccer Pro 2015... Deluxe!

The PS2 version still plays like PES 5.

NickSCFC » Wed Jun 25, 2014 1:56 pm wrote:I hate how it went from International Superstar Soccer to International Superstar Soccer Pro to International Superstar Soccer Pro Evolution to Pro Evolution Soccer

Should've just kept it simple like International Soccer or International Football.

But they had club teams, so the couldn't really. I didn't mind pro evolution. The 3rd one was my favourite.

With collina(?) in the front.

NickSCFC » Wed Jun 25, 2014 1:57 pm wrote:

glowy69 » Wed Jun 25, 2014 1:56 pm wrote:

suzzopher » Wed Jun 25, 2014 1:54 pm wrote:

glowy69 » Wed Jun 25, 2014 1:52 pm wrote:Their first port of call would be to call it pro evolution soccer again please. Get rid of this PES nonsense on the box.

Nobody has time to say and or type that these days....strawberry floating twitter.

People call it PES though

Even pro evo is better. It was the best football series I ever owned. I know I have FIFA now but that's only because it got strawberry floating ruined after Pro evo 5.

I miss those days.

The PS2 versions are just as good as the classics like PES 5.

I had them all on the ps2 nick. The only one I didn't own was the first one. Pro evo 2 was my first experience with it.

Although I had ISS 98 and it was freaking awesome...

glowy69 » Wed Jun 25, 2014 1:59 pm wrote:

NickSCFC » Wed Jun 25, 2014 1:57 pm wrote:

glowy69 » Wed Jun 25, 2014 1:56 pm wrote:

suzzopher » Wed Jun 25, 2014 1:54 pm wrote:

glowy69 » Wed Jun 25, 2014 1:52 pm wrote:Their first port of call would be to call it pro evolution soccer again please. Get rid of this PES nonsense on the box.

Nobody has time to say and or type that these days....strawberry floating twitter.

People call it PES though

Even pro evo is better. It was the best football series I ever owned. I know I have FIFA now but that's only because it got strawberry floating ruined after Pro evo 5.

I miss those days.

The PS2 versions are just as good as the classics like PES 5.

I had them all on the ps2 nick. The only one I didn't own was the first one. Pro evo 2 was my first experience with it.

Although I had ISS 98 and it was freaking awesome...

I doubt you had Pro Evo 2014 on PS2 glowy, I have it, it plays brilliantly still. My brother and I get together once a month and play it solidly for about six hours. Great stuff.

I had them all on the ps2 nick. The only one I didn't own was the first one. Pro evo 2 was my first experience with it.

Although I had ISS 98 and it was freaking awesome...

I'm talking about the more recent versions on PS2

suzzopher » Wed Jun 25, 2014 2:01 pm wrote:

glowy69 » Wed Jun 25, 2014 1:59 pm wrote:

NickSCFC » Wed Jun 25, 2014 1:57 pm wrote:

glowy69 » Wed Jun 25, 2014 1:56 pm wrote:

suzzopher » Wed Jun 25, 2014 1:54 pm wrote:

glowy69 » Wed Jun 25, 2014 1:52 pm wrote:Their first port of call would be to call it pro evolution soccer again please. Get rid of this PES nonsense on the box.

Nobody has time to say and or type that these days....strawberry floating twitter.

People call it PES though

Even pro evo is better. It was the best football series I ever owned. I know I have FIFA now but that's only because it got strawberry floating ruined after Pro evo 5.

I miss those days.

The PS2 versions are just as good as the classics like PES 5.

I had them all on the ps2 nick. The only one I didn't own was the first one. Pro evo 2 was my first experience with it.

Although I had ISS 98 and it was freaking awesome...

I doubt you had Pro Evo 2014 on PS2 glowy, I have it, it plays brilliantly still. My brother and I get together once a month and play it solidly for about six hours. Great stuff.

No, no, sorry I got mixed up.

I had 2/3/4/5 on it. Then they went all FIFA and started dating everything.

One day I hope ea and konami join forces to create the ultimate football game.

We can dream.

The games with Chris James as commentator were the best.

"It's in!! Goal!!! ... 178 centimetres"

Honestly can't really remember the commentary on any of them. The only one that sticks in my mind is Gary bloom of sega worldwide soccer.

PES history and naming is so convoluted. The ISS series (KCEO - Konami Osaka) was the Nintendo-focused side, with the PES series (KCET - Konami Tokyo) the PlayStation-focused side. There were cross-overs (PES originated from the ISS series; er... via Goal Storm) and, of course, variants appeared on multiple formats.

I liked both / all of the versions; ISS on the SNES was terrific and the N64 version was completely ace. I liked the 'arcade' style gameplay and there isn't really a football game like that at present. It's a shame that the ISS brand disappeared, although PES always did have the longer-lasting gameplay.

I can't wait to see PES on the new gen machines; I loved PES 2013 and PES 2014 (after the patches) on the PS3 and I'm hoping that Konami has finally sorted out the front end and navigation on the new version. Wow us, Konami!

glowy69 » Wed Jun 25, 2014 2:07 pm wrote::lol:

Honestly can't really remember the commentary on any of them. The only one that sticks in my mind is Gary bloom of sega worldwide soccer.

Speaking of SWWS, it's such a shame that Sega dropped the Japanese developers of IVG, SWWS 97 and SWWS 98 in favour of Silicon Dreams for those monstrosity Dreamcast titles

Seems like Sega were banking on EA to deliver FIFA like they did for the Saturn and had to get Silicon Dreams to update World League Soccer in time for Dreamcast's launch.

NickSCFC » Wed Jun 25, 2014 2:11 pm wrote:

glowy69 » Wed Jun 25, 2014 2:07 pm wrote::lol:

Honestly can't really remember the commentary on any of them. The only one that sticks in my mind is Gary bloom of sega worldwide soccer.

Speaking of SWWS, it's such a shame that Sega dropped the Japanese developers of IVG, SWWS 97 and SWWS 98 in favour of Silicon Dreams for those monstrosity Dreamcast titles

Seems like Sega were banking on EA to deliver FIFA like they did for the Saturn and had to get Silicon Dreams to update World League Soccer in time for Dreamcast's launch.

Id forgotten about those.

Can't believe we went from this...




to this...




Dreamcast SWWS was just awful!

Looking forward to this reveal, Fifa 14 was a big bag of dead dog dicks

Impressions

http://www.videogamer.com/ps4/pes_2015/ ... -3725.html

Does all the detail on that camera mean the players won't insist on taking a touch before they shoot this time?

NickSCFC wrote:Impressions: http://www.videogamer.com/ps4/pes_2015/ ... 725.html...

It's great to read some insight but that preview is surprisingly brief. There are lots of positives but I'm wary of the comment "Players take too long to get in and out of animation loops...". This is the curse of modern football videogaming; it's the responsiveness and feel that the games need to focus on improving. I don't give a gooseberry fool about player likenesses, close-ups, team names or steward animations; the core focus should always be on the gameplay and, once that's straight, then put some time into the other aspects.

The screenshots we've seen are the kind of "not in the game" nonsense that both Konami and EA have punted out for the past few years; as someone who has put hundreds of hours into PES I have never seen the game look like the screenshots used in previews / reviews. I'm really hoping that Konami has concentrated resource upon controls and front-end / menu setup rather than pitch-side photographers.

PES 2014 was a wreck of a game on release and it's only after the November patch that it emerged and achieved a victory. I want to see it playing the game right from kick-off this time.

Wasn't one of the main selling points of the new Fox Engine that animations were dynamic and you could break out of animation loops, like different limbs being independent of each other. I'm really concerned that they've done nothing to fix the basics in this game.

It also sounds like FIFA 15 is going to be an arcadey FIFA (hands on impressions suggest it's faster paced and easier to score).

jawafour » 25 Jun 2014 14:10 wrote:PES history and naming is so convoluted. The ISS series (KCEO - Konami Osaka) was the Nintendo-focused side, with the PES series (KCET - Konami Tokyo) the PlayStation-focused side. There were cross-overs (PES originated from the ISS series; er... via Goal Storm) and, of course, variants appeared on multiple formats.

That's before you even get into the Winning Eleven numbering and how it lines up (or doesn't) with PES

jawafour » Wed Jun 25, 2014 4:04 pm wrote:

NickSCFC wrote:Impressions: http://www.videogamer.com/ps4/pes_2015/ ... 725.html...

It's great to read some insight but that preview is surprisingly brief.

Videogamer reviews and previews are always pretty short. It's so they can spend more time trying to make funny videos