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Karl_ wrote::lol: I get 100% what you meant, Ironhide, but I have to nerd out here.

Looks aside, Kes was actually Voyager's Troi. But worse(!), because while Troi is one-dimensional initially she eventually grows into a likeable member of the cast, whereas Kes stays undercooked right until her last arc (in which she gets a little development to be fair). It's the same reason Janeway isn't going to top anyone's best captain list: she was written in many ways as a lightweight echo of Picard who took far too long to find her own distinct take on what it means to be captain. People stan Kirk, Picard, and Sisko because they're strong, unique characters. (I think she has a more distinctive voice in the latter seasons, but by then you're already annoyed with the show, y'know?)

The reason Seven was so much better is that she wasn't really comparable to anything Trek had done before. I mean, sure, maybe you can argue she's a mish-mash of Data and Ensign Ro, but that's the point: they're opposites, and in any case Seven's development is informed by her unique situation and background, and that made for some really interesting internal conflict and ultimately the most satisfying development a character gets in the show (probably joint first with the Doctor).

Somebody Else's Problem wrote:

Karl_ wrote::lol: I get 100% what you meant, Ironhide, but I have to nerd out here.

Looks aside, Kes was actually Voyager's Troi. But worse(!), because while Troi is one-dimensional initially she eventually grows into a likeable member of the cast, whereas Kes stays undercooked right until her last arc (in which she gets a little development to be fair). It's the same reason Janeway isn't going to top anyone's best captain list: she was written in many ways as a lightweight echo of Picard who took far too long to find her own distinct take on what it means to be captain. People stan Kirk, Picard, and Sisko because they're strong, unique characters. (I think she has a more distinctive voice in the latter seasons, but by then you're already annoyed with the show, y'know?)

The reason Seven was so much better is that she wasn't really comparable to anything Trek had done before. I mean, sure, maybe you can argue she's a mish-mash of Data and Ensign Ro, but that's the point: they're opposites, and in any case Seven's development is informed by her unique situation and background, and that made for some really interesting internal conflict and ultimately the most satisfying development a character gets in the show (probably joint first with the Doctor).

I think we can all agree that the Doctor is the best character in Voyager, though.

Moggy wrote:

Somebody Else's Problem wrote:

Karl_ wrote::lol: I get 100% what you meant, Ironhide, but I have to nerd out here.

Looks aside, Kes was actually Voyager's Troi. But worse(!), because while Troi is one-dimensional initially she eventually grows into a likeable member of the cast, whereas Kes stays undercooked right until her last arc (in which she gets a little development to be fair). It's the same reason Janeway isn't going to top anyone's best captain list: she was written in many ways as a lightweight echo of Picard who took far too long to find her own distinct take on what it means to be captain. People stan Kirk, Picard, and Sisko because they're strong, unique characters. (I think she has a more distinctive voice in the latter seasons, but by then you're already annoyed with the show, y'know?)

The reason Seven was so much better is that she wasn't really comparable to anything Trek had done before. I mean, sure, maybe you can argue she's a mish-mash of Data and Ensign Ro, but that's the point: they're opposites, and in any case Seven's development is informed by her unique situation and background, and that made for some really interesting internal conflict and ultimately the most satisfying development a character gets in the show (probably joint first with the Doctor).

I think we can all agree that the Doctor is the best character in Voyager, though.

I think we can all agree Doctor Who is better than any Star Trek.

Somebody Else's Problem wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Somebody Else's Problem wrote:

Karl_ wrote::lol: I get 100% what you meant, Ironhide, but I have to nerd out here.

Looks aside, Kes was actually Voyager's Troi. But worse(!), because while Troi is one-dimensional initially she eventually grows into a likeable member of the cast, whereas Kes stays undercooked right until her last arc (in which she gets a little development to be fair). It's the same reason Janeway isn't going to top anyone's best captain list: she was written in many ways as a lightweight echo of Picard who took far too long to find her own distinct take on what it means to be captain. People stan Kirk, Picard, and Sisko because they're strong, unique characters. (I think she has a more distinctive voice in the latter seasons, but by then you're already annoyed with the show, y'know?)

The reason Seven was so much better is that she wasn't really comparable to anything Trek had done before. I mean, sure, maybe you can argue she's a mish-mash of Data and Ensign Ro, but that's the point: they're opposites, and in any case Seven's development is informed by her unique situation and background, and that made for some really interesting internal conflict and ultimately the most satisfying development a character gets in the show (probably joint first with the Doctor).

I think we can all agree that the Doctor is the best character in Voyager, though.

I think we can all agree Doctor Who is better than any Star Trek.

To a 5 year old, maybe.

Somebody Else's Problem wrote:

Karl_ wrote::lol: I get 100% what you meant, Ironhide, but I have to nerd out here.

Looks aside, Kes was actually Voyager's Troi. But worse(!), because while Troi is one-dimensional initially she eventually grows into a likeable member of the cast, whereas Kes stays undercooked right until her last arc (in which she gets a little development to be fair). It's the same reason Janeway isn't going to top anyone's best captain list: she was written in many ways as a lightweight echo of Picard who took far too long to find her own distinct take on what it means to be captain. People stan Kirk, Picard, and Sisko because they're strong, unique characters. (I think she has a more distinctive voice in the latter seasons, but by then you're already annoyed with the show, y'know?)

The reason Seven was so much better is that she wasn't really comparable to anything Trek had done before. I mean, sure, maybe you can argue she's a mish-mash of Data and Ensign Ro, but that's the point: they're opposites, and in any case Seven's development is informed by her unique situation and background, and that made for some really interesting internal conflict and ultimately the most satisfying development a character gets in the show (probably joint first with the Doctor).

I think we can all agree that the Doctor is the best character in Voyager, though.

Moggy wrote:

Somebody Else's Problem wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Somebody Else's Problem wrote:

Karl_ wrote::lol: I get 100% what you meant, Ironhide, but I have to nerd out here.

Looks aside, Kes was actually Voyager's Troi. But worse(!), because while Troi is one-dimensional initially she eventually grows into a likeable member of the cast, whereas Kes stays undercooked right until her last arc (in which she gets a little development to be fair). It's the same reason Janeway isn't going to top anyone's best captain list: she was written in many ways as a lightweight echo of Picard who took far too long to find her own distinct take on what it means to be captain. People stan Kirk, Picard, and Sisko because they're strong, unique characters. (I think she has a more distinctive voice in the latter seasons, but by then you're already annoyed with the show, y'know?)

The reason Seven was so much better is that she wasn't really comparable to anything Trek had done before. I mean, sure, maybe you can argue she's a mish-mash of Data and Ensign Ro, but that's the point: they're opposites, and in any case Seven's development is informed by her unique situation and background, and that made for some really interesting internal conflict and ultimately the most satisfying development a character gets in the show (probably joint first with the Doctor).

I think we can all agree that the Doctor is the best character in Voyager, though.

I think we can all agree Doctor Who is better than any Star Trek.

To a 5 year old, maybe.

Lagamorph wrote:

Jenuall wrote:

Karl_ wrote:Neelix x Kes was probably the worst recurring part of Voyager. Just awful.

And for a show that featured Tom Paris that's saying something!

Lagamorph wrote:

Vermilion wrote:

Lagamorph wrote:

Brilliant!

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