Politics Census: Lockdown Edition feat. Drumstick [Final results p.11]

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by Karl_ » Wed Jun 17, 2020 5:42 pm

I'm deliberately not proposing a detailed system, for what it's worth. I can describe general properties a nationalised system should have, but I'm not a housing sector expert. The details would be put together by expert advisors to Gosplan, naturally...

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by RichardUK » Wed Jun 17, 2020 11:04 pm

I have purchased many houses that have been in a state where they are simply not habitual and within a couple of months turned them into pleasant places to live that have been rented by people extremely quickly and they have been happy to be able to live in a nice property in an area they know at a price they can afford, Obviously I don’t do this out of the goodness of my heart and it is for profit but it’s more of a investment because completely rewiring, replastering, new windows, new boiler, new radiators, new kitchen, new bathroom, roof repair, new interior doors etc is not cheap,

The main issue I have with the left is that they seem to want to keep everyone down, we live in a country with a system that is completely open for people to be or do whatever they want to do in life, my parents have always instilled in me that nothing is out of reach, I have had ups and downs financially, I lost my house in Bavaria but I know I will have one again but also one in Florida, if you don’t have dreams and things to work towards what would be the point in life?

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by <]:^D » Wed Jun 17, 2020 11:07 pm

Richard i think you and the forum have a massive fundamental difference in worldview which i dont think can be reconciled tbh but the main issue with your perspective is doing well for yourself in the capitalist system means pushing about 1000+ other people down, and who gets to be the 1 who does brilliantly well and the 1000+ who get gooseberry fool for the rest of their life is not predicated on their actual ability, merit etc.
that is not to say that you havent been clever, worked hard etc but that many others have done so, and not had the breaks you have in life.
wanting to change that isnt the same as tall poppy syndrome

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by Drumstick » Wed Jun 17, 2020 11:27 pm

RichardUK wrote:I have purchased many houses that have been in a state where they are simply not habitual and within a couple of months turned them into pleasant places to live that have been rented by people extremely quickly and they have been happy to be able to live in a nice property in an area they know at a price they can afford, Obviously I don’t do this out of the goodness of my heart and it is for profit but it’s more of a investment because completely rewiring, replastering, new windows, new boiler, new radiators, new kitchen, new bathroom, roof repair, new interior doors etc is not cheap

I am not sure of the point you are making here. I think we have fundamental difference in how we see housing. I see houses as secure places for people to call home. People on the right tend to see them as vehicles to make money.

There is no actual need for anyone to own more than one home other than pure greed. It's not like you can live in two places at once.

RichardUK wrote:The main issue I have with the left is that they seem to want to keep everyone down, we live in a country with a system that is completely open for people to be or do whatever they want to do in life, my parents have always instilled in me that nothing is out of reach, I have had ups and downs financially, I lost my house in Bavaria but I know I will have one again but also one in Florida, if you don’t have dreams and things to work towards what would be the point in life?

There's nothing wrong with having dreams or goals as long as they aren't taking advantage of those that are worse off.

Here's an example: before I was able to buy a house, I had to rent. I rented 1-bed flats from the age of 16 until I was 28. Aside from the first place, all the others cost me more to rent per month than my mortgage did when I first got it. And my mortgage is on a 3-bedroom house, not a 1-bed flat.

Do you see? If those landlords hadn't been charging me several grand per year more than was reasonable, I could have got onto the housing ladder far sooner than I did. But because of their greed, I had to wait for a few extra years after I'd lined their pockets. I find the whole practice entirely immoral.

Everyone should have a right to a home at a fair market rate, not at whatever rate landlords decide.

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by Psychic » Wed Jun 17, 2020 11:39 pm

RichardUK wrote:The main issue I have with the left is that they seem to want to keep everyone down

Ensuring that people can afford a place to call their own seems more like lifting everyone up, no?

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by Dual » Thu Jun 18, 2020 7:11 am

RichardUK wrote:my parents have always instilled in me that nothing is out of reach


How much money did they give you while saying that?

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by Moggy » Thu Jun 18, 2020 7:16 am

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RichardUK wrote:my parents have always instilled in me that nothing is out of reach


How much money did they give you while saying that?


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by Karl_ » Thu Jun 18, 2020 7:43 am

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@RichardUK: The left isn't a hive-mind, but generally we agree on the following two observations: 1. a lot of people can't afford to own a home; 2. rent is a source of significant financial stress on tenants. We think it's good if people own their own home, and are able to make savings from their pay-cheque, so we want to make changes to the current system.

Some people will be radical and want to abolish renting and give houses to people, others will be reformists and want rent and house price controls. Whatever the implementation, the goal is to lift people out of an impoverished or precarious situation. It's not about jealousy, it's about improving the material conditions of all the normal families out there just trying to get by.

You might be able to own multiple properties and dream of holiday houses abroad but that is far out of the reach of most ordinary people. The reason you're able to dream big is that you've been extracting profit from other people's need for housing. Your tenants aren't able to save up for that dream house because they're paying you instead.

I don't want to take away your nice home. I think it would be better for everyone if we all had exactly one nice home each, rather than some people having dozens and others having none and needing to pay to live in someone else's.

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by a dan from grcade » Thu Jun 18, 2020 11:45 am

RichardUK wrote:we live in a country with a system that is completely open for people to be or do whatever they want to do in life

If you believe this then you have become blinded by your own privilege and are beyond reasoning with.
If you're talking in generalisations and you do in fact appreciate that what you've said isn't true, I hope you will consider some of the other posts on this page.

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by Moggy » Thu Jun 18, 2020 12:22 pm

The idea (at least when it comes to housing) that the left wants to keep people down is insane.

Ensuring that everyone has decent and affordable housing doesn't keep people down.

Whereas private landlords profiting from poor people does keep people down.

What the right wing actually means is "the left want to make things more equal which will make me ever so slightly worse off".

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by DML » Thu Jun 18, 2020 12:27 pm

a dan from grcade wrote:
RichardUK wrote:we live in a country with a system that is completely open for people to be or do whatever they want to do in life

If you believe this then you have become blinded by your own privilege and are beyond reasoning with.
If you're talking in generalisations and you do in fact appreciate that what you've said isn't true, I hope you will consider some of the other posts on this page.


I fully agree with you Dan. Too many people in this country can't be whatever they want to be without a miracle.

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by Hypes » Thu Jun 18, 2020 1:42 pm

RichardUK wrote:we live in a country with a system that is completely open for people to be or do whatever they want to do in life

Hi Richard, please tell me how I can become King?

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by Minty14 » Thu Jun 18, 2020 1:44 pm

In this country we have something called the line of succession

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by Moggy » Thu Jun 18, 2020 1:46 pm

Minty14 wrote:In this country we have something called the line of succession


:lol:

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by <]:^D » Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:33 pm

Moggy wrote:
Minty14 wrote:In this country we have something called the line of succession


:lol:

incredible :lol:

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by Vermilion » Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:37 pm

Hypes wrote:how I can become King?


Put on a white suit and some blue suede shoes, grow big sideburns, and say 'uh huh huh' and 'thankyou very much' a lot.

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by Drumstick » Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:53 pm

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Moggy wrote:
Minty14 wrote:In this country we have something called the line of succession


:lol:

incredible :lol:

Slayed me :lol:

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by Hypes » Thu Jun 18, 2020 3:55 pm

Minty14 wrote:In this country we have something called the line of succession


:lol:
Literally, Know your place :(

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by a dan from grcade » Thu Jun 18, 2020 4:52 pm

But seriously: the monarchy is probably the largest overall contributor to reinforcing the widely held, though not often outright expressed, viewpoint that some people are simply born better than others.

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by Moggy » Thu Jun 18, 2020 6:23 pm

a dan from grcade wrote:But seriously: the monarchy is probably the largest overall contributor to reinforcing the widely held, though not often outright expressed, viewpoint that some people are simply born better than others.


Are you trying to say that Prince Andrew isn't genetically superior?

Because, if so, why does he have the superpower of zero sweat?

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