Politics Census: Lockdown Edition feat. Drumstick [Final results p.11]

https://8values.github.io/results.html? ... 1.0&s=95.3

https://8values.github.io/results.html? ... 5.8&s=87.6

Qikz wrote:Have I got the most extreme left results so far?

No way. 85.4% is rookie numbers. Gotta read some Marx and pump that up into the 90s.

https://8values.github.io/results.html?e=89.1&d=75.6&g=73.4&s=80.3

As always with reservations about some of the questions! This was probably the "worst":

Genetic modification is a force for good, even on humans.

It's obvious what agreeing means, and disagreeing would imply you think it a force for bad. What I want to answer is that genetic modification is a technology and it is only the choice of application of a technology that holds moral value. So I had to go with neutral/unsure - but that could equally be inferred to mean a lack of opinion or a lack of knowledge, when actually I feel quite strongly about it!

https://8values.github.io/results.html? ... 3.1&s=63.4

Knoyleo wrote:
https://8values.github.io/results.html? ... 7.3&s=80.3

I, for one, am shocked.

I got my wife to take this, as I thought it would be interesting to see what someone who doesn't spend too much of their free time orbiting hyper political online spaces answers, and these are her results.

I clearly still have some work to do.

I tried to avoid leading her answers in any of the questions, so didn't respond to most queries she had about them, expect one that she seemed to totally misunderstand, about it being important to always support your country "regardless of political beliefs", which she initially read as meaning you should always support your country in apolitical matters, and initially strongly agreed with.

Other questions, she just had a totally different interpretation of, because she doesn't have the same kind of political literacy. While I read "the freer the markets, the freer the people," as an explicit of support for Thatcher like laissez-faire economics, she simply read it as a statement about more freedom meaning more freedom.

Knoyleo wrote:I tried to avoid leading her answers in any of the questions, so didn't respond to most queries she had about them, expect one that she seemed to totally misunderstand, about it being important to always support your country "regardless of political beliefs", which she initially read as meaning you should always support your country in apolitical matters, and initially strongly agreed with.

Other questions, she just had a totally different interpretation of, because she doesn't have the same kind of political literacy. While I read "the freer the markets, the freer the people," as an explicit of support for Thatcher like laissez-faire economics, she simply read it as a statement about more freedom meaning more freedom.

I did the same thing and got my partner to do it, her scores were pretty similar to mine.

https://8values.github.io/results.html? ... 1.1&s=67.7

I've been reading up on this test by the way and it does seem to predict centrists/liberals as being a little lefter than they really are. However it'll get the ordering between people right, and the other three axes are fairly accurate apparently. It'll all become obvious when I plot out the data anyway!

I don't really know what the below means if I am honest. I think I'm a good person.

There were a couple of questions I didn't understand so had to answer unsure, so not sure if that can skew the result (Single pay health care for example)

https://8values.github.io/results.html? ... 0.6&s=92.7

Huh, more than I thought.

Using all these results, is it possible to list people from Left to right or is it more complicated than that?

Albear wrote:Using all these results, is it possible to list people from Left to right or is it more complicated than that?

So the four scales it gives you are:
1. left (=communist/socialist) vs. right (=capitalist)
2. nationalist (we should only do what is best for this country, and make sure it isn't influenced by the rest of the world) vs. internationalist (openness, cooperation with other countries)
3. anarchist/libertarian (small, local, direct-democratic "governments") vs. authoritarian (dictatorships)
4. socially conservative ("traditional values", wanting to go back to the 50s) vs. socially progressive (equal rights and so on)

In mainstream politics when people say "left" they mean socialist on axis 1 and progressive on axis 4, and the opposite for "right". "Hard/far-right" usually also implies nationalist on axis 2 and authoritarian on axis 3.

Does that make sense?

The values & classifications it gives are a bit miscalibrated - think of it as basically being a bit American and thinking we're all far-left 'cos we like hospitals - but that doesn't matter, I'll still be able to plot all the results out so we can see the spread and which members are similar/different.

https://8values.github.io/results.html? ... 0.2&s=91.7

Karl_ wrote:However it'll get the ordering between people right, and the other three axes are fairly accurate apparently.

If you accept the choice of axes and what contributes to them, that is, which I'm not sure I do! Putting liberty in opposition to authority is an oversimplification - the rule of law can be intended to increase people's freedoms by preventing others from impacting them, for example. Tradition vs progress also seems a false dichotomy; they are not always at odds, and I personally think I'm very traditionalist in some sense through a love of history and the desire to preserve and draw from our cultural past - in ways that aren't averse to say civil liberties.

Nation vs world is also a bit strange to me because it seem to put nationalism at one extreme and world government at the other. I don't think either are desirable as I support local, decentralised and non-hierarchical government in most matters, not a heavily centralised world government.

OrangeRKN wrote:If you accept the choice of axes and what contributes to them, that is, which I'm not sure I do! Putting liberty in opposition to authority is an oversimplification - the rule of law can be intended to increase people's freedoms by preventing others from impacting them, for example. Tradition vs progress also seems a false dichotomy; they are not always at odds, and I personally think I'm very traditionalist in some sense through a love of history and the desire to preserve and draw from our cultural past - in ways that aren't averse to say civil liberties.

Nation vs world is also a bit strange to me because it seem to put nationalism at one extreme and world government at the other. I don't think either are desirable as I support local, decentralised and non-hierarchical government in most matters, not a heavily centralised world government.

Oh yeah totally, that's why these tests can only ever be just for fun, giving at most a general idea of if you broadly agree with someone.

You can't really plot political ideologies with a couple of numerical ratings clearly!

EDIT: That being said I do like the knock-on effect these tests always have of people on here going "oh... I'm lefter than I thought!" though.

Karl_ wrote:
Albear wrote:Using all these results, is it possible to list people from Left to right or is it more complicated than that?

So the four scales it gives you are:
1. left (=communist/socialist) vs. right (=capitalist)
2. nationalist (we should only do what is best for this country, and make sure it isn't influenced by the rest of the world) vs. internationalist (openness, cooperation with other countries)
3. anarchist/libertarian (small, local, direct-democratic "governments") vs. authoritarian (dictatorships)
4. socially conservative ("traditional values", wanting to go back to the 50s) vs. socially progressive (equal rights and so on)

In mainstream politics when people say "left" they mean socialist on axis 1 and progressive on axis 4, and the opposite for "right". "Hard/far-right" usually also implies nationalist on axis 2 and authoritarian on axis 3.

Does that make sense?

The values & classifications it gives are a bit miscalibrated - think of it as basically being a bit American and thinking we're all far-left 'cos we like hospitals - but that doesn't matter, I'll still be able to plot all the results out so we can see the spread and which members are similar/different.

Thanks, very useful/interesting

Karl_ wrote:EDIT: That being said I do like the knock-on effect these tests always have of people on here going "oh... I'm lefter than I thought!" though.

I've previously considered the morality of one of those "who should I vote for" websites that asks a few questions purportedly to measure your political ideologies but always just returns Labour...

The one you've been waiting for:

https://8values.github.io/results.html? ... 7.0&s=83.7

https://8values.github.io/results.html? ... 7.0&s=81.7

As others have mentioned this isn't the best test in terms of how the questions and answers marry with one another on several occasions, a few questions require further detail of nuance in order to express a view that just isn't allowed here. As a result I answered "Neutral" to a few more questions than I would have liked so my figures are probably more central than they otherwise would have been!

Politics Census: Lockdown Edition feat. Drumstick [Final results p.11]

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