Politics discussion: on the alt-right and their relationship to the recent shooting in NZ

I don't think you can blame pewdiepie anymore than you can blame video games. "Subscribe to Pewdiepie" is a meme. No matter what you think of Pewds politics, there is absolutely nothing in any of his videos to suggest that he supports fans going on disgusting acts of murder and terrorism.

captain red dog wrote:I don't think you can blame pewdiepie anymore than you can blame video games. "Subscribe to Pewdiepie" is a meme. No matter what you think of Pewds politics, there is absolutely nothing in any of his videos to suggest that he supports fans going on disgusting acts of murder and terrorism.

"Do a barrel roll" is also a meme, but nobody's shouting that before murdering 49 people in a mosque. Get a strawberry floating clue.

Dude's manifesto mentions many memes and 'subscribe to pewdiepie' is a massive one these days. What's your point Tineash?

The Pewdiepie links come from one of the shooters making a post on 8chan before the shooting citing Pewdiepie as one of his inspirations.
It also appears that, as he was live streaming the shooting, he encouraged viewers to subscribe immediately before it began.

There's a ResetEra thread on it here,
https://www.resetera.com/threads/pewdie ... ks.105466/

Tineash wrote:

captain red dog wrote:I don't think you can blame pewdiepie anymore than you can blame video games. "Subscribe to Pewdiepie" is a meme. No matter what you think of Pewds politics, there is absolutely nothing in any of his videos to suggest that he supports fans going on disgusting acts of murder and terrorism.

"Do a barrel roll" is also a meme, but nobody's shouting that before murdering 49 people in a mosque. Get a strawberry floating clue.

Have you read the guys manifesto?

PDP is casually racist, he is casually anti-semitic. He links to racist, sexist, & anti-semitic YT videos. His Twitter follows are dominated by alt-right and alt-right adjacent figures like Jordan Peterson, Ben Shapiro, and Stefan Molyneux, who push nativist rhetoric exactly like that which this shooter cites as his justification.

PDP is the soft edge of the right-wing online radicalisation of young white men.

Blaming PewDiePie for this is like blaming Rammstein for Columbine (or whichever mass shooting they were named in). People take their own opinions and views off media, and someone who is quite clearly mental and able to commit this level of atrocity should take responsibility for it. What benefit do we get from passing the blame to someone who wasn't involved? I highly doubt he's particularly happy to have his name involved in something like this, regardless of his own personal views.

Unless there's subliminal messaging in Pew News telling us all to kill Muslims of course.

Guys, do a bit of research before stating the guys motivation and inspiration. His manifesto reads like a 4chan troll piece.

strawberry float you both very very much.

Tineash wrote:PDP is the soft edge of the right-wing online radicalisation of young white men.

I don't want to argue, but this line here is pure bollocks.

captain red dog wrote:Guys, do a bit of research before stating the guys motivation and inspiration. His manifesto reads like a 4chan troll piece.

Mate your first reaction was “sickening but what about video games?”. I don’t think you are in any position to judge others.

Moggy wrote:

captain red dog wrote:Guys, do a bit of research before stating the guys motivation and inspiration. His manifesto reads like a 4chan troll piece.

Mate your first reaction was “sickening but what about video games?”. I don’t think you are in any position to judge others.

My first reaction was not to post in a video games forum, it's been a topic of discussion all morning at work. Don't be so narrow-minded.

Edit: and yes watch the video and tell me it doesn't look exactly like a real life version of COD. Its chilling.

There's a longer post to be made here, but some of the analogies on this page are, frankly, ignorant.

Pew Die Pie has not been directly implicated in this of course but his rhetoric, his failure to show contrition for his racist actions and his continuing to court the audience he has is 100% a contributing factor to the radicalisation of a certain subset of young, white men on the internet, one of whom has just murdered 49 innocent people.

Tineash wrote:PDP is the soft edge of the right-wing online radicalisation of young white men.

This is 100% correct.

captain red dog wrote:Edit: and yes watch the video and tell me it doesn't look exactly like a real life version of COD. Its chilling.

No one should be watching the strawberry floating video. The fact that you have, and that you are actually suggesting others do says more about you than any point you're ineffectually trying to make.

captain red dog wrote:

Moggy wrote:

captain red dog wrote:Guys, do a bit of research before stating the guys motivation and inspiration. His manifesto reads like a 4chan troll piece.

Mate your first reaction was “sickening but what about video games?”. I don’t think you are in any position to judge others.

My first reaction was not to post in a video games forum, it's been a topic of discussion all morning at work. Don't be so narrow-minded.

Edit: and yes watch the video and tell me it doesn't look exactly like a real life version of COD. Its chilling.

You posted it at 8.01am. That's hardly all morning.

And I am not watching the strawberry floating video or reading his strawberry floating manifesto. What the strawberry float is wrong with you?

captain red dog wrote:Edit: and yes watch the video and tell me it doesn't look exactly like a real life version of COD. Its chilling.

Why would you want to see it? Horrible.

Tafdolphin wrote:

Tineash wrote:PDP is the soft edge of the right-wing online radicalisation of young white men.

This is 100% correct.

I know you get a boner about Pewdiepie Taf but if you or anyone else could provide an article or link to something that I could watch/read I'll be open minded because I used to be quite the fan and didn't notice anything to suggest this.

Whole lotta PDP fans coming out of the woodwork.

"Death to the jews" was just a joke guys! IRONY LOL

Photek wrote:

Tafdolphin wrote:

Tineash wrote:PDP is the soft edge of the right-wing online radicalisation of young white men.

This is 100% correct.

I know you get a boner about Pewdiepie Taf but if you or anyone else could provide an article or link to something that I could watch/read I'll be open minded because I used to be quite the fan and didn't notice anything to suggest this.

First thought: No. If you want to do the research, stop strawberry floating relying on others. Educate yourself.

Second thought: no strawberry floating chance of that, have a video

This is from hbomberguy, the chap who did the massive trans fundraiser a while back. The title is intentionally simplistic (something he brings up part way through).



Also thanks Karl for moving this to a seperate thread.

Photek wrote:

Tineash wrote:PDP is the soft edge of the right-wing online radicalisation of young white men.

I don't want to argue, but this line here is pure bollocks.

It's not mate. Pewdiepie and his obsession with racist jokes and "triggered SJWs" - much the same as Jordan Peterson and his rants on "neo-Marxist feminism" - are the public-facing edge of a wormhole that leads you through alt-right commentators like Ben Shapiro, then fake news sites like Breitbart and InfoWars, and finally onto the anonymous imageboards where these attacks are openly planned by white supremacists.

In 20th century warfare, propaganda (to win hearts and minds) was as important a weapon as a gun or a tank. In the culture war, memes are weapons. You have to adjust to that silly-sounding reality if you want to understand how politics works in the 21st century. The alt-right wormhole is directly responsible for Brexit, Trump, and this terrorist attack.

3:21 in and 2 thoughts:

1 - Some good points (I was hoping for some actual clips of PDP tho)

2 - This bomber dude is very hard to listen to, he'd be better off not coming across like a complete twat, he undermines his good points with pointless personal attacks that have nothing to do with anything.

I'll continue.

EDIT: he was meming...

Well that was short...which was based on the jew joke he used several times. Can't say I'm convinced yet, ill research more over the weekend.