taychris wrote:i don't think you're looking at things accurately at all you have very fringe beliefs imo. he is not neo-nazi or alt-right [need a stricter definition] and he enjoys massive support [people looking to bring back actual nazism today don't have that]. laughing at sjw's is not an alt-right property either. i watch sjw cringe videos,,, and also don't like hitler.
imo anyway he's a goof youtuber into some shock comedy and people take him too seriously, like people who think playing gta will make you a mobster, and real racists and villans probably love he gets talked about more than them.
I've not accused you (or Venom, or Rightey) of
being a racist for liking Pewdiepie. What I'm saying is that his fans need to seriously reflect on the big red flags surrounding that community, because it's become one part - not the whole story, but a cog within the machine - of how a contemporary fascist movement operates online today.
I understand you think this is silly. I don't really think I will convince you, but maybe I can put some questions to you, and in a year or two you'll think back on this and go, "oh shite, they were right", okay? Hear me out.
What do you think of the videos and screenshots posted by other users on this page? Do you think it reflects badly on Pewdiepie to drop racial slurs while playing videogames, or to display racist caricatures in the background of his videos, or to use the phrase "death to all Jews" in his jokes? If this is just edgy humour, where's the balance? There are plenty of amusing public freakouts from old conservative men, so where are his "far-right cringe compilations"?
In this thread we've talked about all sorts of racists and villains - Tommy Robinson, Candace Owens, Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro have all been mentioned - but Pewdiepie is one more, who is particularly relevant after being specifically namedropped by the attacker. Since then, "Subscribe to Pewdiepie" has appeared on racist graffiti at a school in Oxford and a holocaust memorial in Brooklyn. Do you think that is any reflection at all on him or his community?
Do you think Ben Shapiro or other core alt-right talking heads are "bad" or are they also misunderstood? You can map out a network between all of these people, how they collaborate and signal-boost each other. Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones on InfoWars are a virtual hop away from Pewdiepie and Ben Shapiro, and Jordan Peterson and Candace Owens. A hop further takes you to the hate speech of real-life neo-Nazi Tommy Robinson, or perhaps political imageboards, the kind of alt-right meme factories where really dangerous neo-Nazi ideas like "the great replacement" are invented. You don't have to take my word for it, there are real studies out there from the kind of person who has made it their life's work to track far-right movements. You can go and research this and I hope you will.
I'm not saying you are a racist because you like Pewdiepie. I'm sure plenty of normal, ordinary people like Pewdiepie. What I'm saying is that Pewdiepie's rhetoric is inflammatory and dangerous, and that his content teeters just on the edge of a dark hole that, if fallen into, can lead (usually) disaffected young white men towards the alt-right and eventually onto the anonymous channels where these attacks are openly lauded and sometimes even planned.