Politics Thread 5

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by KK » Thu Jul 11, 2019 1:57 pm

Shouldn’t these people be at work.

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by Rax » Thu Jul 11, 2019 2:03 pm

The immigrants took their jobs so theres no work for them. :(

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by Benzin » Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:20 pm

That's assuming they had jobs in the first place?

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by Preezy » Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:37 pm

I hope they all parked their white vans legally.

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by Samuel_1 » Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:46 pm

Hexx wrote:
Lagamorph wrote:It's a huge risk by the BBC to outright edit material like that. Did they think nobody from the Labour party was going to be watching?

Then again I suppose they thought that, ultimately, not enough people in a position to do anything about it will care, and they're probably right.
I do wonder if Labour have the option of privately prosecuting the BBC


Have Lab actually found any "editting", because the example they highlighted earlier were woefully ineffectual at changing the message.

And taking a quote is not "editting" or "doctoring" - it would have to fundamentally alter the intent/meaning But that's become the story now in the Corbynites crusade against the enemy of the people! - and Lab, unless I've missed it, haven't provided evidence of that. Just that they've got off the bit the Lab are desperate to use to spin spin spin

Something’s going wrong, and we’re muddling up political disputes with racism


But if we’re more than very occasionally using disciplinary action against Jewish members for antisemitism, Something’s going wrong, and we’re muddling up political disputes with racism


https://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/statement/bbc-panoramas-is-labour-antisemitic/?fbclid=IwAR3xWAMYcKn-JR4A8NkYzdbkWf7rGtuC35cSLe7owyyNfcJkP4UVR_DQME0

What do you make of this statement?

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by captain red dog » Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:48 pm

I don't see the issue. He is absolutely bang to rights for contempt of court. There is literally no doubt about it. Its not a freedom of speech issue. His actions could have prejudiced the trial he was reporting on.

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by Preezy » Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:55 pm

captain red dog wrote:I don't see the issue. He is absolutely bang to rights for contempt of court. There is literally no doubt about it. Its not a freedom of speech issue. His actions could have prejudiced the trial he was reporting on.

yeah but mate what about sharia law and the muslamic ray guns we want are cuntry back i bet you dont even give money 2 help are heroes u gotta sport r troops like brave tommy because this is about free speach and we aint got any anymore u cant say nuffin these days wivout sum snowflake tryn 2 arrest ya :roll:

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by Hexx » Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:56 pm

Samuel_1 wrote:
Hexx wrote:
Lagamorph wrote:It's a huge risk by the BBC to outright edit material like that. Did they think nobody from the Labour party was going to be watching?

Then again I suppose they thought that, ultimately, not enough people in a position to do anything about it will care, and they're probably right.
I do wonder if Labour have the option of privately prosecuting the BBC


Have Lab actually found any "editting", because the example they highlighted earlier were woefully ineffectual at changing the message.

And taking a quote is not "editting" or "doctoring" - it would have to fundamentally alter the intent/meaning But that's become the story now in the Corbynites crusade against the enemy of the people! - and Lab, unless I've missed it, haven't provided evidence of that. Just that they've got off the bit the Lab are desperate to use to spin spin spin

Something’s going wrong, and we’re muddling up political disputes with racism


But if we’re more than very occasionally using disciplinary action against Jewish members for antisemitism, Something’s going wrong, and we’re muddling up political disputes with racism


https://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/statement/bbc-panoramas-is-labour-antisemitic/?fbclid=IwAR3xWAMYcKn-JR4A8NkYzdbkWf7rGtuC35cSLe7owyyNfcJkP4UVR_DQME0

What do you make of this statement?


It's a rah rah propaganda piece that knows exactly what type of person it's aimed at, and it will work wonders for them.

It, unironically spends the opening half (without substantiation) beasting and smearing journalists and "whistleblowers" - and inventing massive conspiracies.

If Panaroma was so obviously lying and distorting it should be easy to scientifically dissect it and refute it. But it doesn't do that (you kinda have to wonder why)

All they've got is name calling and "they always hated us. they've always been the enemy"

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“These disaffected former officials include those who have always opposed Jeremy Corbyn’s leadership, worked to actively undermine it, and have both personal and political axes to grind.”


I mean it's not even slightly consolatory e.g. "We're sorry people feel that way, but we don't believe their recollection match events because of X, Y and Z". They're liars. ALL OF THEM. They've always been against us. They're LYING. It's an attack. It's the same tone as Lab's own response (fancy that) and it's tone deft and inept. Which rather highlights the Lab's core problem in the whole process - criticism must be wrong and critics must be the enemy.

Trying to tie it into Daaroch to highlight some sort of perceived double standard on whistleblowing/leaking is amazingly stupid and inept.

It's defending Ken Livingstone as not being antisemitic.

So yeah it's trash. It's designed to rile up the faithfully followers with piss and vinegar rather than have to deal with some uncomfortable truths. And it'll work.

The comments on that vacuous nonsense are amazing "an honest, reflective, and grown up voice to counteract the hysteria" (Hysterical is possible the most apt description of the frothing mouth attack on critics...but sure). Yep. It's working wonders on the faithful

But hey now it turns out another 30 staff have been whistleblowing to the EHCR. I'm sure they're all just evil Blairites who have been conspiring to bring down Jeremy Corbyn for years too! I mean he's lost every election and polling record lows, but the establishment is terrified of him and his comrades!

How do you feel about what...say...Jewish Labour Movement had to say about it? Or the Board of Deputies? Etc

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by Samuel_1 » Thu Jul 11, 2019 4:50 pm

What are your politics Hexx?

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by Hexx » Thu Jul 11, 2019 4:52 pm

Samuel_1 wrote:What are your politics Hexx?


t:the-political-sextant-its-like-the-political-compass-but-a-bit-nerdier-i-guess?p=4489045#p4489045

Mixed and wide according to that

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by Samuel_1 » Thu Jul 11, 2019 4:55 pm

Hexx wrote:
Samuel_1 wrote:What are your politics Hexx?


t:the-political-sextant-its-like-the-political-compass-but-a-bit-nerdier-i-guess?p=4489045#p4489045

Mixed and wide according to that

In your own words...

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by Hexx » Thu Jul 11, 2019 4:56 pm

Samuel_1 wrote:
Hexx wrote:
Samuel_1 wrote:What are your politics Hexx?


t:the-political-sextant-its-like-the-political-compass-but-a-bit-nerdier-i-guess?p=4489045#p4489045

Mixed and wide according to that

In your own words...


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by Samuel_1 » Thu Jul 11, 2019 4:58 pm

Hexx wrote:
Samuel_1 wrote:
Hexx wrote:
Samuel_1 wrote:What are your politics Hexx?


t:the-political-sextant-its-like-the-political-compass-but-a-bit-nerdier-i-guess?p=4489045#p4489045

Mixed and wide according to that

In your own words...


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Centrist?

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by Hexx » Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:00 pm

Samuel_1 wrote:
Hexx wrote:
Samuel_1 wrote:
Hexx wrote:
Samuel_1 wrote:What are your politics Hexx?


t:the-political-sextant-its-like-the-political-compass-but-a-bit-nerdier-i-guess?p=4489045#p4489045

Mixed and wide according to that

In your own words...


Grey

Centrist?


I expect you'd call it that. Or centrist dad. ;)

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by Jenuall » Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:04 pm

A grey centrist dad?

Samuel was asking for your political leanings not your DILF preferences ;)

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by Hexx » Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:05 pm

Jenuall wrote:A grey centrist dad?

Samuel was asking for your political leanings not your DILF preferences ;)


It can be both

Boris Johnson has won Tory leadership contest already based on votes already in, survey suggests
The ConservativeHome website has published another of its regular surveys of Tory members, and it has concluded that Boris Johnson has already won the Tory leadership contest. We won’t know for sure for another 12 days, but in the past these surveys have been a fairly reliable guide to how people vote in internal Tory elections.

ConservativeHome is making the claim that Boris Johnson “has won this contest already” on the basis that 71% of respondents say they have already voted. Given that the survey also suggests that Johnson is beating Jeremy Hunt by 72% to 28%, that would mean, assuming those figures were correct, that if every new vote being cast from today were to go to Hunt, he still would not be able to catch up.


I suppose my position is I don't want the world to end, but at this point I'm not sure I'd mind.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 5
by Moggy » Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:09 pm

captain red dog wrote:I don't see the issue. He is absolutely bang to rights for contempt of court. There is literally no doubt about it. Its not a freedom of speech issue. His actions could have prejudiced the trial he was reporting on.


You can’t reason with racists.


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