Politics Thread 5

[Moggy]

I hope Jeremy remains in the rudest of good health for a long time yet.

Why?

Party before country. Every single time.

It's actually party for the country. In that i believe they are the best placed to govern. Not wishing to start a whole thing with that - I know almost all disagree . For me - what is good for the party is good for the country by extension. Again I know that most are in disagreement.

Case in point; Denster says this and is unchallenged. The Tory party are responsible for the Brexit mess, they are responsible for the rise in homelessness, they are responsible for the rise in child poverty, they are responsible for the cuts in police numbers, they are responsible for the real terms cuts to the NHS, they are responsible for the real term cuts to social care, they are responsible for pushing austerity, which is a massive factor in most of the above and has been called a political choice, not a necessity by a UN report. While all of these cuts have happened the rich have increased their proportion of wealth and the national debt has risen. Of the two candidates that they have to lead; one is an overt racist, homophobic (watermelon smiles, bum boys) and a liar (350 million for the NHS) and one has done his best to destroy the NHS and the education system. They are the best placed to govern?! Are you utterly mental? This is the stuff we need to challenge!

It’s Denster though. He isn’t going to change and he isn’t going to care what we think. We could spend years of our lives debating with him and telling him that the Tories are bad but he will not agree and he will not suddenly turn into a Labour/Lib Dem/Green voter. It’s pointless.

Whereas those of us that want the Tories/BP to lose have something to gain by making Labour better and making Corbynites realise that their man will never gain power in this country. We don’t think Corbyn is good enough to appeal to middle England and we really detest him for his Brexit policy. It’s great that you feel he represents you, but he doesn’t represent us and he will lead to the entire country being under Tory rule for another generation.

It's just madness, I can't see how anyone can look at this country, its incumbent government and conclude that they're doing a bang up job

Will you ever find a candidate to represent you in all facets? He doesn't really represent me when it comes to Europe, but he does in many other things. I really want him to back a second referendum at this point, but he hasn't. I really hope that changes. As I have said, I would accept another leader who is clearer on Europe and backs manifesto policies.

No I doubt I’ll ever find a leader to represent me in all facets. I’ve been voting for over 20 years and there still hasn’t been a leader of any party that represents me in everything.

But Corbyn fails on Brexit. I cannot vote for somebody who isn’t damn clear that they will either end this madness or at least give the public the chance of ending this madness.

Corbyn may flip over to support a referendum (with Remain as an option) which would be great, but I think the damage is already done.

[KK]

The Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn, has sent a barbed birthday card to Jeff Bezos to mark Amazon’s 25th anniversary, wishing the company “many happy tax returns” and demanding it pays more UK tax, pays its staff better and improves working conditions.

Amazon UK paid only £1.7m in tax in 2017, its most recent annual public filing at Companies House, as pre-tax profits tripled to £72m. Turnover at its British business, which handles the packing and delivery of parcels and functions such as customer service, rose 35%, from £1.46bn to £1.98bn.

Corbyn’s birthday message to the world’s richest man, who has just finalised the world’s biggest divorce settlement, worth $38bn, says: “Dear Jeff. Happy Birthday. You owe the British people millions in taxes that pay for the public services that we all rely on. This year, pay your fair share of taxes, give your hard-working staff a pay rise and respect workers’ rights. Many Happy Tax Returns, Jeremy.”

Amazon insists it operates within the UK’s laws on corporation tax, which are based on profits not revenues, and that retail is a tough sector to make money in.

Photo of him apparently writing the card while on the train: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/ ... nniversary

[Ecno]

The Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn, has sent a barbed birthday card to Jeff Bezos to mark Amazon’s 25th anniversary, wishing the company “many happy tax returns” and demanding it pays more UK tax, pays its staff better and improves working conditions.

Amazon UK paid only £1.7m in tax in 2017, its most recent annual public filing at Companies House, as pre-tax profits tripled to £72m. Turnover at its British business, which handles the packing and delivery of parcels and functions such as customer service, rose 35%, from £1.46bn to £1.98bn.

Corbyn’s birthday message to the world’s richest man, who has just finalised the world’s biggest divorce settlement, worth $38bn, says: “Dear Jeff. Happy Birthday. You owe the British people millions in taxes that pay for the public services that we all rely on. This year, pay your fair share of taxes, give your hard-working staff a pay rise and respect workers’ rights. Many Happy Tax Returns, Jeremy.”

Amazon insists it operates within the UK’s laws on corporation tax, which are based on profits not revenues, and that retail is a tough sector to make money in.

Photo of him apparently writing the card while on the train: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/ ... nniversary

Surprised he got a seat.

[Rex Kramer]

Not sure the way to get a majority is passive-aggressive birthday card writing.

[That]

Not sure the way to get a majority is passive-aggressive birthday card writing.

You can make any political gesture sound dumb in isolation. It's part of a larger rhetorical campaign.

This kind of thing is fine, Corbyn is good when it comes to standing up to corporations.

[Moggy]

Corbyn: “Diane! John!”

Abbott: “What is it Jeremy?”

Corbyn: “I have had the bestest idea ever! I am going to send Bezos a birthday card!”

McDonnell: “Eh?”

Corbyn: “It’s bloody genius, I will send it to him and I am going to put a really passive aggressive message about tax inside it. We’ll get a photo of it and then job done, all the votes come to us and I can play in the marrow patch for the rest of the day”

Abbott: “I am not sure that works Jeremy, most people don’t know who Bezos is and they love shopping on Amazon”

McDonnell: “She’s right Jez, it’s a proper good wheeze but people will not care. They are more interested in your Brexit policy, have you decided yet?”

Corbyn: “Birthday cards! I am a genius, a bloody genius! This is it, prepare the moving vans for Number 10! We are in!”

Abbott: “Brexit Jeremy, what are we doing about Brexit?”

Corbyn: “Send a bloody birthday card to Brexit!”

[Squinty]

What a strawberry floating clown.

[OrangeRKN]

I'm all for calling Jeff Bezos out

[Moggy]

I'm all for calling Jeff Bezos out

Is that why he had the divorce?

[KK]

More like Jeff Baezos.

[Denster]

Denster limits his contributions in here because his posting inevitably leads to a cycle of anger that changes absolutely nothing, and I think that's pretty responsible (staying away, not his awful objective incorrect views). There's little point trying to rebut any of his points when he does appear as, given the last few years of the Tories literally ripping the country apart, why would anything we say make him change his mind?

Fair enough.

Pretty spot on. Apart from the awful and incorrect comment. Clearly.

[Moggy]

Denster limits his contributions in here because his posting inevitably leads to a cycle of anger that changes absolutely nothing, and I think that's pretty responsible (staying away, not his awful objective incorrect views). There's little point trying to rebut any of his points when he does appear as, given the last few years of the Tories literally ripping the country apart, why would anything we say make him change his mind?

Fair enough.

Pretty spot on. Apart from the awful and incorrect comment. Clearly.

At least you agree the Tories are ripping the country apart.

[Denster]

Yeah that bit, too.

[Tafdolphin]

Factoid: I think my 'literally' back there was as close to its literal meaning as I've ever used it while also using it figuratively.

The UK is as divided as it's ever been in any of our lifetimes and this is entirely, entirely down to Tory policy and their blowhard, Bullingdon Club sabre rattling. I've never ever been so ashamed of my country, a feeling that goes way beyond politics at this point. The nation is split down the middle culturally, and I can't see how the wounds inflicted are going to heal any time soon. To even insinuate that the same strawberry floaters that got us into this mess are the best to get us out is utterly mystifying to me.

Sorry for not following my own advice.

[Blue Eyes]

That Tommy Robinson banana split is going to jail. Time for a beer.

[Moggy]

That Tommy Robinson banana split is going to jail. Time for a beer.

[Denster]

Let's all agree on that.

[Moggy]

Let's all agree on that.

Who would have thought that Stephen Yaxley-Lennon would be the great unifier?

[Corazon de Leon]

Let's all agree on that.

Who would have thought that Stephen Yaxley-Lennon would be the great unifier?

Probably Stephen Yaxley-Lennon.

[Moggy]

Let's all agree on that.

Who would have thought that Stephen Yaxley-Lennon would be the great unifier?

Probably Stephen Yaxley-Lennon.

“Un i-Fier? Is dat one of dem muslamics?”