Politics Thread 5

[Rex Kramer]

Does anyone think she'd resign?

[Moggy]

Does anyone think she'd resign?

I think she will, but on 29 March after No Deal happens.

[Squinty]

Does anyone think she'd resign?

I think she will, but on 29 March after No Deal happens.

I think she's strawberry floating toast after 29 March whatever happens.

[Knoyleo]

8 o'clock, yeah?

[Rex Kramer]

Just another pointless Tory party pissing contest.

[Drumstick]

twitter.com/JRGerlis/status/1095811162518769666

The correct answer is, of course, HE'S NOT strawberry floating RELEVANT IN 2019.

[KK]

Jacob Rees-Mogg on QT tonight, along with the founder of Wikipedia.

[Return_of_the_STAR]

Jacob Rees-Mogg on QT tonight, along with the founder of Wikipedia.

Just about to post this. I’m not convinced the rest of the panel will be argumentative enough against him if Brexit comes up but we shall see.

[Return_of_the_STAR]

Wtf Rees Mogg seems to have some sort of human emotional side to him. Where did that come from?

[KK]

Michael Portillo tonight: “Chris Grayling, the most incompetent minister of all time”

The Times:

This Week, the BBC’s long-running politics programme, is being axed by the corporation after Andrew Neil, its host, decided to step down.

The BBC One show will disappear from schedules this summer after the corporation decided it would not be recommissioned, The Times understands. It has run for 16 years.

The cancellation will disappoint fans of This Week’s informal and gently satirical take on Westminster affairs.

Despite its late slot, airing at 11.45pm after Question Time on Thursdays, the programme’s lighthearted but rigorous tone attracted a loyal audience.

Regular panellists included Michael Portillo, the former Conservative MP, and Diane Abbott, Labour’s shadow home secretary, who enjoyed an unlikely on-screen chemistry despite their political disagreements.

BBC: This Week will end after its current run, as presenter @afneil steps down from late-night presenting. Fran Unsworth, BBC Director of News, says: “We couldn’t imagine This Week without the inimitable Andrew Neil, one of Britain’s best political interviewers. After 16 years, Andrew is bowing out of late-night presenting on the show, at the top of his game,

“We want to keep Andrew at the heart of the BBC’s political coverage. He continues to present Politics Live on Thursdays and we look forward to developing future projects with him.”

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/bbc- ... -fmfx2sg9s

[captain red dog]

So what are people's opinions on the jihadi girl? I had a minor argument with my mum yesterday who said she shouldn't be allowed back, I pointed out that on the one hand you can't support deporting foreign nationals who commit crimes in our country and then refuse to take back our nationals who commit crimes abroad.

For me it is a matter of rights. She gets the same rights as anyone other citizen and we can't be selective on that. If she gets to a UK embassy, she should be allowed repatriation and due process.

[Moggy]

So what are people's opinions on the jihadi girl? I had a minor argument with my mum yesterday who said she shouldn't be allowed back, I pointed out that on the one hand you can't support deporting foreign nationals who commit crimes in our country and then refuse to take back our nationals who commit crimes abroad.

For me it is a matter of rights. She gets the same rights as anyone other citizen and we can't be selective on that. If she gets to a UK embassy, she should be allowed repatriation and due process.

She's a British citizen and it wouldn't be legal to take that citizenship away.

From what I understand, she is currently in Syria and there are not British Consulate services available so she would somehow have to make her own way back. So if she gets to another country with a British Embassy then they can bring her home, if she stays where she is then there's not much we can do.

If she returns she should be prosecuted for any crimes that she has committed just as anybody else should be. Her age at the time of leaving is a factor for some leniency but her refusal to show any remorse subsequently will count against her.

[Rex Kramer]

So what are people's opinions on the jihadi girl? I had a minor argument with my mum yesterday who said she shouldn't be allowed back, I pointed out that on the one hand you can't support deporting foreign nationals who commit crimes in our country and then refuse to take back our nationals who commit crimes abroad.

For me it is a matter of rights. She gets the same rights as anyone other citizen and we can't be selective on that. If she gets to a UK embassy, she should be allowed repatriation and due process.

There was a very good interview with Rukmini Callimachi at around 7.10 this morning on 5Live on this subject. One of her main points was that there isn't a program devised for conversion/deprogramming of ISIS members and so there would be no real way at this point to measure whether her risk to society in general would be reduced.

[Errkal]

I don't think she should be allowed back, I think if she showed some remorse for being a daft youth and making a mistake then I would say she should come back but be arrested and go through therapy and things. However the fact that she shows no remorse makes me think she doesn't deserve to come back and doesn't think what she did was wrong and a mistake.

Its harsh but if she was remorseful it would be different.

[captain red dog]

So what are people's opinions on the jihadi girl? I had a minor argument with my mum yesterday who said she shouldn't be allowed back, I pointed out that on the one hand you can't support deporting foreign nationals who commit crimes in our country and then refuse to take back our nationals who commit crimes abroad.

For me it is a matter of rights. She gets the same rights as anyone other citizen and we can't be selective on that. If she gets to a UK embassy, she should be allowed repatriation and due process.

She's a British citizen and it wouldn't be legal to take that citizenship away.

From what I understand, she is currently in Syria and there are not British Consulate services available so she would somehow have to make her own way back. So if she gets to another country with a British Embassy then they can bring her home, if she stays where she is then there's not much we can do.

If she returns she should be prosecuted for any crimes that she has committed just as anybody else should be. Her age at the time of leaving is a factor for some leniency but her refusal to show any remorse subsequently will count against her.

Yep I totally agree with you there.

Whether she shows remorse or not is a moot point. She has to be afforded the same rights as anyone else, it's a defining principle of law.

[Moggy]

So what are people's opinions on the jihadi girl? I had a minor argument with my mum yesterday who said she shouldn't be allowed back, I pointed out that on the one hand you can't support deporting foreign nationals who commit crimes in our country and then refuse to take back our nationals who commit crimes abroad.

For me it is a matter of rights. She gets the same rights as anyone other citizen and we can't be selective on that. If she gets to a UK embassy, she should be allowed repatriation and due process.

She's a British citizen and it wouldn't be legal to take that citizenship away.

From what I understand, she is currently in Syria and there are not British Consulate services available so she would somehow have to make her own way back. So if she gets to another country with a British Embassy then they can bring her home, if she stays where she is then there's not much we can do.

If she returns she should be prosecuted for any crimes that she has committed just as anybody else should be. Her age at the time of leaving is a factor for some leniency but her refusal to show any remorse subsequently will count against her.

Yep I totally agree with you there.

Whether she shows remorse or not is a moot point. She has to be afforded the same rights as anyone else, it's a defining principle of law.

Remorse doesn't matter if we are talking about her coming back to the UK. She has the right to return as she is a UK citizen.

In court remorse absolutely counts, I am not sure why you think the law doesn't take remorse into account.

[Rex Kramer]

So what are people's opinions on the jihadi girl? I had a minor argument with my mum yesterday who said she shouldn't be allowed back, I pointed out that on the one hand you can't support deporting foreign nationals who commit crimes in our country and then refuse to take back our nationals who commit crimes abroad.

For me it is a matter of rights. She gets the same rights as anyone other citizen and we can't be selective on that. If she gets to a UK embassy, she should be allowed repatriation and due process.

She's a British citizen and it wouldn't be legal to take that citizenship away.

From what I understand, she is currently in Syria and there are not British Consulate services available so she would somehow have to make her own way back. So if she gets to another country with a British Embassy then they can bring her home, if she stays where she is then there's not much we can do.

If she returns she should be prosecuted for any crimes that she has committed just as anybody else should be. Her age at the time of leaving is a factor for some leniency but her refusal to show any remorse subsequently will count against her.

Yep I totally agree with you there.

Whether she shows remorse or not is a moot point. She has to be afforded the same rights as anyone else, it's a defining principle of law.

Remorse doesn't matter if we are talking about her coming back to the UK. She has the right to return as she is a UK citizen.

In court remorse absolutely counts, I am not sure why you think the law doesn't take remorse into account.

It's a difficult position though because the public also has a right to protection and can that be guaranteed in this instance? The lack of remorse would suggest she would still consider herself a jihadi fighting for ISIS causes. The only option then would be to lock her up until her risk is reduced which isn't a solution.

[Moggy]

So what are people's opinions on the jihadi girl? I had a minor argument with my mum yesterday who said she shouldn't be allowed back, I pointed out that on the one hand you can't support deporting foreign nationals who commit crimes in our country and then refuse to take back our nationals who commit crimes abroad.

For me it is a matter of rights. She gets the same rights as anyone other citizen and we can't be selective on that. If she gets to a UK embassy, she should be allowed repatriation and due process.

She's a British citizen and it wouldn't be legal to take that citizenship away.

From what I understand, she is currently in Syria and there are not British Consulate services available so she would somehow have to make her own way back. So if she gets to another country with a British Embassy then they can bring her home, if she stays where she is then there's not much we can do.

If she returns she should be prosecuted for any crimes that she has committed just as anybody else should be. Her age at the time of leaving is a factor for some leniency but her refusal to show any remorse subsequently will count against her.

Yep I totally agree with you there.

Whether she shows remorse or not is a moot point. She has to be afforded the same rights as anyone else, it's a defining principle of law.

Remorse doesn't matter if we are talking about her coming back to the UK. She has the right to return as she is a UK citizen.

In court remorse absolutely counts, I am not sure why you think the law doesn't take remorse into account.

It's a difficult position though because the public also has a right to protection and can that be guaranteed in this instance? The lack of remorse would suggest she would still consider herself a jihadi fighting for ISIS causes. The only option then would be to lock her up until her risk is reduced which isn't a solution.

If she’s a risk to the public then she should be locked up. I haven’t said anything different.

[Rex Kramer]

So what are people's opinions on the jihadi girl? I had a minor argument with my mum yesterday who said she shouldn't be allowed back, I pointed out that on the one hand you can't support deporting foreign nationals who commit crimes in our country and then refuse to take back our nationals who commit crimes abroad.

For me it is a matter of rights. She gets the same rights as anyone other citizen and we can't be selective on that. If she gets to a UK embassy, she should be allowed repatriation and due process.

She's a British citizen and it wouldn't be legal to take that citizenship away.

From what I understand, she is currently in Syria and there are not British Consulate services available so she would somehow have to make her own way back. So if she gets to another country with a British Embassy then they can bring her home, if she stays where she is then there's not much we can do.

If she returns she should be prosecuted for any crimes that she has committed just as anybody else should be. Her age at the time of leaving is a factor for some leniency but her refusal to show any remorse subsequently will count against her.

Yep I totally agree with you there.

Whether she shows remorse or not is a moot point. She has to be afforded the same rights as anyone else, it's a defining principle of law.

Remorse doesn't matter if we are talking about her coming back to the UK. She has the right to return as she is a UK citizen.

In court remorse absolutely counts, I am not sure why you think the law doesn't take remorse into account.

It's a difficult position though because the public also has a right to protection and can that be guaranteed in this instance? The lack of remorse would suggest she would still consider herself a jihadi fighting for ISIS causes. The only option then would be to lock her up until her risk is reduced which isn't a solution.

If she’s a risk to the public then she should be locked up. I haven’t said anything different.

It's really the only option but it's not a solution, prison places are expensive and they don't exactly have a track record of preventing radicalisation. If anything, they tend to work the opposite way. Without a proven means to re-educate her, I don't see her becoming a member of society.

[Preezy]

Send her to Monster Island (don't worry, it's just a name).