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by Lex-Man » Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:37 pm

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KK wrote:Cuka Umunna Has tonight joined the Liberal Democrats.


Until September when he’ll leave to join the Greens.


Really wish he hadn't.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 5
by That » Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:16 am

Chuk set this all up as an elaborate prank on Anna Soubry.

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by Photek » Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:30 am

I can’t believe people think Boris is playing some sort of 4D chess, it reminds me of Trump supporters saying the same.

Boris Johnson is an actual idiot.

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by Lagamorph » Fri Jun 14, 2019 11:16 am

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by KK » Fri Jun 14, 2019 1:07 pm

This story leading MSN News in the UK and US, and by default, the Microsoft Edge homepage...

Opinion: Boris Johnson may be just what Britain needs - The Washington Post

Editor’s note: The opinions in this article are the author’s, as published by our content partner, and do not represent the views of MSN or Microsoft.

The British Conservative Party leadership contest is scheduled to continue for another six weeks. But that will likely be just a formality after today’s first-round vote in Parliament. Boris Johnson’s overwhelming lead means he’s almost certainly going to be Britain’s next prime minister — which could be just what Britain needs.

The Tory leadership contest is fought in two arenas. The first is that of Parliament, where the 313 Conservative members whittle down the contenders over a series of votes to a final two. Those two then campaign among the registered, dues-paying Tory members for the activists’ favor. The winner of that second round becomes the new leader, and hence the new prime minister.

Johnson wiped the floor with his contenders in today’s parliamentary vote. He received a whopping 114 votes, a massive haul considering he had nine opponents. His support is so large that it exceeds that of his next three highest-ranking challengers combined. The London bookies, who make markets on everything, have dutifully placed the odds on his win at 83 percent. Given Johnson’s massive popularity with the Tory activists, it would take either a stunning misstep or machinations that would amaze even Machiavelli to trip him up.

The state of affairs across the pond, however, is such that this will likely be the easiest challenge Johnson faces. The Brexit mash-up is transforming British politics almost daily. Polls show millions of Tory voters are abandoning the historic party for Nigel Farage’s upstart Brexit Party, while millions of Labour voters are abandoning their party for either Brexit or for a more unequivocally pro-European Union alternative, either the Liberal Democrats or the Greens. Johnson’s task is to bring about Brexit, hopefully without embracing the no-deal scenario, reunite his party and put a stake in Farage’s heart once and for all — all by year’s end.

Johnson so far has avoided providing too many specifics on how he will do all of that. He has said both that he does not want to leave the E.U. with no deal and that he will ensure the United Kingdom leaves by the statutory departure date of Oct. 31. What happens if he is unable to broker a revised deal with the E.U. leadership or if an end run around them with French President Emmanuel Macron and German Chancellor Angela Merkel in a summer summit fails? Then he will have to choose between the two promises; either choice will provoke outrage and fury within Parliament.

At that point, he will almost certainly choose the no-deal option because the alternative would be the Conservative Party’s death. The Brexit Party’s stunning rise is due entirely to the inability of the Tories under Theresa May to keep their promise to leave the E.U. on March 29. Crossing two lines in the sand would probably seal their fate with the once-loyal Tory masses who care more about leaving than they do about other Conservative priorities.
That in turn would spark a series of messy parliamentary maneuvers to prevent such an occurrence. Ten Conservative MPs defied the party whip yesterday and voted for a Labour motion to rule out a no-deal Brexit. Would more follow suit if Johnson fails to get a better deal?

Then there’s the question of proroguing Parliament, thereby temporarily preventing it from sitting. It is within the queen’s constitutional power to do so upon the advice of her ministers. Canadian Conservative Prime Minister Stephen Harper prorogued his country’s Parliament in 2008 to prevent a three-party coalition from toppling his government. Such a move would be unusual, but Johnson has not yet ruled it out.

The sheer historic instability in the country may be Johnson’s biggest ally. Labour does not want a quick general election — which a vote of no confidence to prevent a no-deal scenario would require — any more than the Tories do. Nor presumably do many of the Tory opponents of no-deal relish the likely prospect of losing their seats in such an event. Self-interest may prevail even over genuine beliefs about the national interest if MPs are forced to choose.
Johnson in effect will likely be playing a two-sided game of chicken this year: against the E.U. on the one hand and parliamentary Remainers on the other. Who will blink first? No one knows.

There was another time in British history when a controversial and colorful figure with a journalistic past and many political failures took the helm in stormy times. Winston Churchill was almost nobody’s first choice for prime minister but was chosen when there seemed to be no other viable alternative. Johnson has none too subtly written a biography of the great statesman, intentionally drawing such a comparison. Perhaps lightning will strike twice and once more bring forth a Great Britain victorious, happy and glorious, from a messy continental entanglement.

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Channel 4 are contemplating 'empty lecterning' Boris on Sunday, should he insist on not showing up. All the others have now agreed.

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by Corazon de Leon » Fri Jun 14, 2019 1:13 pm

I like and read WaPo quite regularly, but that article is a lot of strawberry floating rubbish.

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by KK » Fri Jun 14, 2019 1:19 pm

Sky News wrote:Lord Sugar backs Boris Johnson as PM despite demanding he be jailed over Brexit

Lord Sugar has backed Boris Johnson as the next prime minister - despite having previously suggested he should be jailed for misleading the public over Brexit.

He voiced his opinions on the leading Tory candidate on Sky's Ian King Live on Friday, saying he was "delighted" that Mr Johnson looks like he will be the next Prime Minister.

Lord Sugar said: "And the reason for that is because in a bizarre way, when the next general election comes up, I think the voting public will far prefer him than Jeremy Corbyn.

"So anybody who will stop Corbyn getting into power is going to be backed by me."

He added: "Boris did a relatively good job when he was the mayor of London and when he becomes the Prime Minister I am sure that he will grab Brexit by the horns and get ready for election in 2021."

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PostRe: Politics Thread 5
by That » Fri Jun 14, 2019 1:24 pm

Rich Wanker Votes For Tax Cuts

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PostRe: Politics Thread 5
by Rex Kramer » Fri Jun 14, 2019 1:30 pm

I really wish they'd stop comparing Boris to Churchill. The egotistical twat face doesn't need that particular obsession feeding any more than it already is.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 5
by Moggy » Fri Jun 14, 2019 1:31 pm

Rex Kramer wrote:I really wish they'd stop comparing Boris to Churchill. The egotistical twat face doesn't need that particular obsession feeding any more than it already is.


He is very similar to Churchill with the exception of being capable of winning a war.

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by OrangeRKN » Fri Jun 14, 2019 1:35 pm

Saying "you remind me of Churchill" is a great stealth insult tbh

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by KK » Fri Jun 14, 2019 1:57 pm

Hancock’s half hour is up as he’s now also pulled out of the race.

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by Vermilion » Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:31 pm

KK wrote:Channel 4 are contemplating 'empty lecterning' Boris on Sunday, should he insist on not showing up. All the others have now agreed.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48638758

Boris will be taking part in the BBC one anyhow.

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by Tineash » Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:38 pm

Corazon de Leon wrote:I like and read WaPo quite regularly, but that article is a lot of strawberry floating rubbish.


It's a bizarre point of principle for the big liberal institution newspapers to take a handful of raving right-wing pricks and give them permanent sinecures on their op-ed pages. See also; Brett Stephens at the NYT.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 5
by Blue Eyes » Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:51 pm

That banana split Sugar only said Johnson should be in prison 6 months ago. Another despicable crook.

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by Lagamorph » Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:15 pm

Sugar is another person who doesn't understand how tax brackets work, so it's only natural he would support tax cuts.

twitter.com/lord_sugar/status/1120300489390870528


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by KK » Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:30 pm

Latest YouGov polling, General Election voting intention (9th-10th June 2019)

Brexit Party: 26%
Liberal Democrats: 22%
Labour: 19%
Conservatives: 17%
Green Party: 8%
Change UK: 1%
Other: 5%
UKIP: 0%

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by Ecno » Fri Jun 14, 2019 4:44 pm

Lagamorph wrote:Sugar is another person who doesn't understand how tax brackets work, so it's only natural he would support tax cuts.

twitter.com/lord_sugar/status/1120300489390870528



Also the marginal rate between £100-£120k is 60%, so they're only taking home £40k at the moment.

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by Hexx » Fri Jun 14, 2019 4:59 pm

Ecno wrote:
Lagamorph wrote:Sugar is another person who doesn't understand how tax brackets work, so it's only natural he would support tax cuts.

twitter.com/lord_sugar/status/1120300489390870528



Also the marginal rate between £100-£120k is 60%, so they're only taking home £40k at the moment.


Um. No? On that £20k you might effectively only take home £8k due to impact on allowances etc

But in no way effects all your earnings

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by Ecno » Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:26 pm

Hexx wrote:
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Lagamorph wrote:Sugar is another person who doesn't understand how tax brackets work, so it's only natural he would support tax cuts.

twitter.com/lord_sugar/status/1120300489390870528



Also the marginal rate between £100-£120k is 60%, so they're only taking home £40k at the moment.


Um. No? On that £20k you might effectively only take home £8k due to impact on allowances etc

But in no way effects all your earnings


Lord Sugar says it does.- It's also up to £125k.

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