Politics Thread 5

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by Squinty » Fri Mar 22, 2019 7:48 am

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by KK » Fri Mar 22, 2019 11:18 pm

Newspaper circulation figures for February 2019:

Metro: 1,426,261 (down -3% Year-on-year)
The Sun: 1,362,205 (-7%)
Daily Mail: 1,186,594 (-8%)
The Sun on Sunday: 1,153,690 (-7%)
The Mail on Sunday: 1,016,438 (-6%)
London Evening Standard: 859,943 (-3%)
The Sunday Times: 707,917 (-5%)
Daily Mirror: 493,614 (-13%)
Sunday Mirror: 411,227 (-16%)
The Times: 405,558 (-6%)
The Daily Telegraph: 345,618 (-8%)
Daily Star: 322,885 (-18%)
Daily Express: 315,142 (-12%)
Sunday Express: 272,259 (-13%)
The Sunday Telegraph: 271,872 (-9%)
i: 232,084 (-9%)
Daily Star Sunday: 199,091 (-16%)
Financial Times: 171,459 (-4%)
The Observer: 161,984 (-9%)
Sunday People: 156,696 (-20%)
The Guardian: 133,497 (-11%)

The Daily Star’s fake interview with The Rock sure has led to a real SMACKDOWN in sales.

However...

The latest figures by the Publishers’ Audience Measurement Company reveals that The Sun has once again taken the lead as the UK’s most read newspaper brand in 2018, with its print and websites totalling a monthly reach of 29,286,000, overtaking the Daily Mail titles on 29,280,000.

In third place is The Guardian and Observer, with 25.2m readers a month. Despite now being an online-only title, The Independent is still managing to reach 22m people a month, just fractionally behind the Telegraph on 22.7m.

This compares to Facebook on 38m and Google on 38.5m.

I think sometimes it’s easy to forget vast swathes of the country/world are still using these brands via Twitter, Apple News, Snapchat etc.

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by Moggy » Tue Mar 26, 2019 6:19 pm

At least one multimillion-pound housing development in London is segregating the children of less well-off tenants from those of wealthier homebuyers by blocking them from some communal play areas.

Guardian Cities has discovered that developer Henley Homes has blocked social housing residents from using shared play spaces at its Baylis Old School complex on Lollard Street, south London. The development was required to include a mix of “affordable” and social rental units in order to gain planning permission.

Henley marketed the award-winning 149-home development, which was built in 2016 on the site of a former secondary school, as inclusive and family-friendly. It said the “common areas are there for the use of all the residents”.

But the designs were altered after planning permission was granted to block the social housing tenants from accessing the communal play areas.

https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2019 ... playground



What a disgusting country we have become. :x

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by Tafdolphin » Tue Mar 26, 2019 6:23 pm

Moggy wrote:
At least one multimillion-pound housing development in London is segregating the children of less well-off tenants from those of wealthier homebuyers by blocking them from some communal play areas.

Guardian Cities has discovered that developer Henley Homes has blocked social housing residents from using shared play spaces at its Baylis Old School complex on Lollard Street, south London. The development was required to include a mix of “affordable” and social rental units in order to gain planning permission.

Henley marketed the award-winning 149-home development, which was built in 2016 on the site of a former secondary school, as inclusive and family-friendly. It said the “common areas are there for the use of all the residents”.

But the designs were altered after planning permission was granted to block the social housing tenants from accessing the communal play areas.

https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2019 ... playground



What a disgusting country we have become. :x


Can you imagine being part of the meeting where that was decided?

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PostRe: Politics Thread 5
by Moggy » Tue Mar 26, 2019 6:25 pm

Tafdolphin wrote:
Moggy wrote:
At least one multimillion-pound housing development in London is segregating the children of less well-off tenants from those of wealthier homebuyers by blocking them from some communal play areas.

Guardian Cities has discovered that developer Henley Homes has blocked social housing residents from using shared play spaces at its Baylis Old School complex on Lollard Street, south London. The development was required to include a mix of “affordable” and social rental units in order to gain planning permission.

Henley marketed the award-winning 149-home development, which was built in 2016 on the site of a former secondary school, as inclusive and family-friendly. It said the “common areas are there for the use of all the residents”.

But the designs were altered after planning permission was granted to block the social housing tenants from accessing the communal play areas.

https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2019 ... playground



What a disgusting country we have become. :x


Can you imagine being part of the meeting where that was decided?


My bank balance says I am not able to imagine it.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 5
by captain red dog » Tue Mar 26, 2019 6:36 pm

Well, I'm not surprised. This is what will always happen when social housing is privatised. It's what will happen with the NHS. We are already hearing rumours that you will be able to pay to jump queues for GP appointments etc.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 5
by KK » Tue Mar 26, 2019 8:56 pm

A family from Ireland were forced to abandon their dream move to New Zealand when their youngest daughter was denied a visa because she had Down's Syndrome.

Bumikka Suhinthan, 15, was told she couldn't enter the country because her 'health was not of an acceptable standard' and would impose excessive costs.

Mother Nilani Suhinthan, 52, had planned to start a new life in Auckland, New Zealand, after she was headhunted for a £74,000-a-year IT consultant job.

She, her husband Nagarajah, 54, and other daughters Tanya, 19, and Saumia, 14, all received visas but Bumikka's rejection has shattered their dream.

Despite the family offering to pay for the extra support their daughter would need in school, Immigration New Zealand (INZ) ruled Bumikka would be too great a burden.

Mrs Suhinthan, who had already moved to New Zealand to prepare for the family's emigration, said she was told Bumikka would be eligible for a temporary visitor visa, so the family could spend Christmas Day in New Zealand.

But despite booking flights, they were stopped from boarding their connecting flight in Malaysia, because Bumikka wasn't considered a genuine visitor.

The mother and her husband Nagarajah, an engineer, have spent three months appealing the rejection, but a final hearing last week ruled the decision was final.

Nilani, who lives in Dublin, said: 'It's complete discrimination. I've always told her she isn't any different but this tears it up.

'She doesn't completely understand why we're not going to New Zealand.

They kept telling me she would cost them money to send her to a special school. My tax bill in one month would cover the school fees for the entire year.

'It just doesn't make any sense other than it being discriminatory. Bumikka has a moderate disability, but she can talk, walk and dress herself. She only needs supervision and extra help in the classroom.

'So I don't understand why they would reject her temporary visa other than being discriminatory.

'We were planning a new life over there. Instead we were just thrown in limbo.

'We had to spend Christmas Day in an apartment and had to have terrible Malaysian food instead of a Christmas dinner.

'The car I bought over there is just sitting in my sister's driveway. I couldn't just leave her in Ireland and move my other children to the other side of the world.

love my daughter too much to move the other side of the world but we were all looking forward to our new life.'

She and her husband had emigrated from Sri Lanka in 1990, initially living in Buckinghamshire and then moving to Dublin in 2015.

Mrs Suhinthan was scouted for a job as a data mining specialist for a large US tech company in June last year, and moved over to get settled and await her family's arrival.

In November last year, a month before the move, they were told Bumikka's visa had been declined.

But despite her mother's offer to pay the $7,800 (£5,923) needed every year, the country told her the scheme is a 'finite resource' and can't be spared for an international citizen.

Mrs Suhinthan, who had to leave her New Zealand job and move back to Dublin, said she had been 'completely let down'.

A spokesman for New Zealand Immigration confirmed the visa had been denied on health grounds.

They said: 'While we sympathise with the family's situation, all non-New Zealanders coming to New Zealand must have an acceptable standard of health so as not to impose undue costs or demands on New Zealand's public health system.

'In Bumikka's case, the medical assessor determined that the granting of a visa would likely impose significant costs and/or demands on New Zealand's health and special education services.

The Ongoing Resourcing Scheme (ORS) is a limited resource available for all students in New Zealand and any teacher aide provided by the school would be part of the ORS.

'While INZ notes the family's intention to pay for the use of the teacher aide, the ability of a person or organisation to pay for education services has no bearing on whether an applicant is likely to impose significant costs on New Zealand's special education services.

'Furthermore, regardless of how it is funded, the teacher aide would still come from the ORS and would result in another New Zealand child being unable to access the skills of that teacher aide.

'INZ determined that due to Bumikka's circumstances, she couldn't be classified as a bona fide temporary visitor.

'With her entire family either working in New Zealand or intending to move to New Zealand, Immigration officials were not satisfied Bumikka could be considered a bona fide visitor.'

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PostRe: Politics Thread 5
by Preezy » Wed Mar 27, 2019 9:23 am

What a sad story :(

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PostRe: Politics Thread 5
by OrangeRKN » Wed Mar 27, 2019 9:43 am

Tafdolphin wrote:
Moggy wrote:
At least one multimillion-pound housing development in London is segregating the children of less well-off tenants from those of wealthier homebuyers by blocking them from some communal play areas.


What a disgusting country we have become. :x


Can you imagine being part of the meeting where that was decided?


It's literal mustache-twirling villainy and a complete backfire of the policy. The council should never have approved it, and now should be able to mandate changes.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 5
by Hexx » Wed Mar 27, 2019 1:33 pm

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PostRe: Politics Thread 5
by Garth » Wed Mar 27, 2019 5:54 pm

twitter.com/ShehabKhan/status/1110887095177015296


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PostRe: Politics Thread 5
by Moggy » Wed Mar 27, 2019 5:59 pm

Garth wrote:

twitter.com/ShehabKhan/status/1110887095177015296



After all the criticism of Labour and anti-semitism, I wonder how many right wingers will be criticising the Tories?

For the record I think Labour have been awful on this and the Tories are just as bad.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 5
by Winckle » Thu Mar 28, 2019 9:05 am

BoTh SiDeS aRe JuSt As BaD

Surely be refusing to adopt the definition of Islamophobia, the Tories are objectively worse on this?

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by Moggy » Thu Mar 28, 2019 9:15 am

Winckle wrote:BoTh SiDeS aRe JuSt As BaD

Surely be refusing to adopt the definition of Islamophobia, the Tories are objectively worse on this?


I forgot that Labour did sign the IHRA definition of anti-Semitism in the end.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 5
by Preezy » Thu Mar 28, 2019 9:19 am

Is there a tl;dr definition of Islamophobia?

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by Winckle » Thu Mar 28, 2019 9:26 am

Moggy wrote:
Winckle wrote:BoTh SiDeS aRe JuSt As BaD

Surely be refusing to adopt the definition of Islamophobia, the Tories are objectively worse on this?


I forgot that Labour did sign the IHRA definition of anti-Semitism in the end.

That's far too reasonable and genuine a post. Can you not instead dig your heels in and have a pointless argument with me for several pages? I feel like you're not respecting the current political climate.

We should migrate GRcade to Flarum. :toot:
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by Winckle » Thu Mar 28, 2019 9:27 am

Preezy wrote:Is there a tl;dr definition of Islamophobia?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zac_Golds ... l_campaign

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PostRe: Politics Thread 5
by Moggy » Thu Mar 28, 2019 9:36 am

Winckle wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Winckle wrote:BoTh SiDeS aRe JuSt As BaD

Surely be refusing to adopt the definition of Islamophobia, the Tories are objectively worse on this?


I forgot that Labour did sign the IHRA definition of anti-Semitism in the end.

That's far too reasonable and genuine a post. Can you not instead dig your heels in and have a pointless argument with me for several pages? I feel like you're not respecting the current political climate.


:lol:

I believe that Labour did/does have a problem with anti-semitism in the party, I agree it was overblown by a hostile media, but that doesn’t mean it didn’t exist.

I also believe that the Conservatives have a problem with Islamophobia and I think it is probably far worse than Labour’s anti-semitism problem and will be reported on far less than Labour’s issues.

But I hold left wing parties to a higher standard than right wing parties. I expect the Tory party to be full of racists and bigots, I don’t expect that from Labour. Labour was slow to deal with the issues, took far too long to sign the IHRA and are still a little unconvincing in their actions.

Hopefully that’s enough for a few pages worth of fighting. ;)

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PostRe: Politics Thread 5
by Preezy » Thu Mar 28, 2019 9:41 am

Winckle wrote:
Preezy wrote:Is there a tl;dr definition of Islamophobia?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zac_Golds ... l_campaign

Thanks for that.

I think so long as you're able to still criticise the religion (either seriously or with satire) without being labelled a racist or Islamophobe then I don't have a problem with the definition. Nothing should be immune to criticism or comedy, much in the same way that being critical or jokey about Israel shouldn't automatically make you an anti-semite.

Bloody religions, ruining it for the rest of us.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 5
by Hexx » Thu Mar 28, 2019 10:21 am

At a time to try and build cross party consensus

twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1111190204138864640



twitter.com/NicolaSturgeon/status/1111196735613874176



Sturgeon :lol:


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