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by Meep » Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:28 pm

TV Dinner wrote:Is stopping people from using public transport an effective way of tackling climate change?

Based on the publicity and political pressure it has generated, I think the Extinction Rebellion protests have definitely helped push the issue. You can't really watch the news today and say otherwise.

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by Lex-Man » Fri Apr 19, 2019 9:34 pm

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/fa ... 1555659424

If you’re a singer, or actor or dancer, you may have an ambition to appear regularly on television, but you face so many obstacles it seems hopeless. So here’s a tip that could help. Take a break to set up a far-right party and make some speeches about Europe and Muslims, and you’ll be on every day for nine years.

Tommy Robinson, for example, was prepared to graft like that and now he’s rewarded with regular slots on every news programme. So much so, that you expect to hear: “Now the weather for the northwest, read by Tommy Robinson.” To which he’d likely say: “There’s a right chilly front sweeping through the Lake District, I’m sick of it, decent people are sick of it, we’ve had enough. They say it will be gone by Wednesday at 7am but we can’t trust ’em.”

He’ll almost certainly be on this year’s Strictly Come Dancing, while Viktor Orban, leader of the Hungarian fascist party, will be on Saturday Kitchen, saying: “My food hell is cream cheese bagel as it dilute purity of Hungarian race, but my food heaven is marmite sandwich.”

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by Moggy » Fri Apr 19, 2019 10:06 pm

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by Lagamorph » Fri Apr 19, 2019 11:43 pm

Their call for the UK to be zero emission by 2025 was unrealistic, the technology just isn't there at the moment, but I can see why they would think 2050 is too far in the future. 2035-2040 would probably have been a more realistic aspiration.

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by Moggy » Sat Apr 20, 2019 7:26 am

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She shouldn’t apologise and should go all in on her new wild ladette image.

The Sun though, she “stunned” fellow passengers by drinking a can from M&S? :fp: :lol:

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by That's not a growth » Sat Apr 20, 2019 9:12 am

The idea of lads-on-bants types drinking on trains is so ingrained in my view of what makes England England that I was more shocked to realise what she was doing was illegal and worth talking about.

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by Moggy » Sat Apr 20, 2019 9:20 am

That's not a growth wrote:The idea of lads-on-bants types drinking on trains is so ingrained in my view of what makes England England that I was more shocked to realise what she was doing was illegal and worth talking about.


It’s allowed on most trains, Boris Johnson banned it on London trains when he was mayor.

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by Knoyleo » Sat Apr 20, 2019 9:21 am

That's not a growth wrote:The idea of lads-on-bants types drinking on trains is so ingrained in my view of what makes England England that I was more shocked to realise what she was doing was illegal and worth talking about.

It's illegal to drink on TFL services, but I've never once seen it enforced. People still do it all the time.

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by Lex-Man » Sat Apr 20, 2019 9:47 am

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That's not a growth wrote:The idea of lads-on-bants types drinking on trains is so ingrained in my view of what makes England England that I was more shocked to realise what she was doing was illegal and worth talking about.

It's illegal to drink on TFL services, but I've never once seen it enforced. People still do it all the time.


They can only ask you to get off the train though, you can't be arrested for it.

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by Dual » Sat Apr 20, 2019 10:48 am

She should stand down.

Not for drinking on a train but for drinking a pre-mix tin. Absolute poverty standard of alcohol.

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by Cuttooth » Sat Apr 20, 2019 1:12 pm

Why is everyone so strawberry floating obsessed with Diane Abbott?

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by Tineash » Sat Apr 20, 2019 2:29 pm

Intersection of racism/sexism, it's simple

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by Vermilion » Sat Apr 20, 2019 8:28 pm

Dual wrote:She should stand down.

Not for drinking on a train but for drinking a pre-mix tin. Absolute poverty standard of alcohol.


She should stand down just for being Diane Abbott, that is her crime which is also her punishment.

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by KK » Sat Apr 20, 2019 8:55 pm

BLAIR:

Migrant communities must be compelled to do more to integrate to help combat the rise of “far-right bigotry”, Tony Blair has warned.

The former prime minister said that successive governments had “failed to find the right balance between diversity and integration”, while the concept of multiculturalism has been misused as a way to justify a “refusal to integrate”.

Blair makes the pointed intervention in a report by his Institute for Global Change, which backs forcing schools to have an intake that reflects local diversity, creating a compulsory citizenship programme for teenagers and toughening enforcement against the perpetrators of hate speech.

It also calls for compulsory citizenship education, a ban on segregated shift patterns and the creation of a new cabinet post created to oversee integration.

“Over a significant period of time, including when we were last in government, politics has failed to find the right balance between diversity and integration,” Blair writes in a foreword to the report. “On the one hand, failures around integration have led to attacks on diversity and are partly responsible for a reaction against migration. On the other hand, the word multiculturalism has been misinterpreted as meaning a justified refusal to integrate, when it should never have meant that.

“Particularly now, when there is increasing evidence of far-right bigotry on the rise, it is important to establish the correct social contract around the rights and duties of citizens, including those who migrate to our country.”

The report backs a new form of “digital identity verification” – a return to Blair’s support for ID cards that caused huge divisions when the idea was pushed by his government and later abandoned. It also backs the idea of increased funding for language tuition and handing asylum seekers earlier access to work.

It comes following an increase in religious or racially motivated hate crimes. According to Home Office data, such crimes increased from 37,417 in 2013-14 to 79,587 in 2017-18. MPs such as Labour’s Naz Shah have linked the increase with support for extreme far-right groups.

However, in remarks likely to attract criticism from migrant rights groups, Blair warns that enforcing greater integration by new arrivals is a crucial part of solving the issue.

Blair writes: “In this report, we make it clear that there is a duty to integrate, to accept the rules, laws and norms of our society that all British people hold in common and share, while at the same time preserving the right to practise diversity, which is fully consistent with such a duty.

“Without the right to, for example, practise one’s faith, diversity would have no content; but without the duty to integrate, ‘culture’ or ‘faith’ can be used as a way of upsetting that basic social contract that binds us together.

“Government cannot and should not be neutral on this question. It has to be a passionate advocate and, where necessary, an enforcer of the duty to integrate while protecting the proper space for diversity. Integration is not a choice; it is a necessity.”

In government, Blair pushed the idea that all communities had a “duty to integrate” into British society, adding that no one could override the values of democracy, tolerance and respect for the law.

“Our tolerance is part of what makes Britain, Britain,” he said in 2006. “Conform to it; or don’t come here.”

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by Knoyleo » Sat Apr 20, 2019 9:14 pm

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by Tafdolphin » Sat Apr 20, 2019 9:18 pm

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Only the second political party the EHRC has investigated. The first was the BNP.

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by Errkal » Sat Apr 20, 2019 9:26 pm

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Unless I read it wrong, that isnt close to what is being said.

He is saying both sides are at fault, migrants for not being willing to adopt British cultural norms and conventions, AND governments for not getting the balance right in integration work and conversation of their previous culture.

Personally I think he is right. We can't expect people to give up who they are and where they came from, however people coming shouldn't expect to not have to take on our ways to some degree.

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by Moggy » Sat Apr 20, 2019 9:46 pm

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Unless I read it wrong, that isnt close to what is being said.

He is saying both sides are at fault, migrants for not being willing to adopt British cultural norms and conventions, AND governments for not getting the balance right in integration work and conversation of their previous culture.

Personally I think he is right. We can't expect people to give up who they are and where they came from, however people coming shouldn't expect to not have to take on our ways to some degree.


Which migrants refuse to take on our ways? And what are our ways?

Blair is trying to appeal to the worst of British xenophobia, the sort that moan about hearing foreigners speaking on trains or who think seeing a Mosque means the end of days is coming.

strawberry float that.

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by Errkal » Sat Apr 20, 2019 9:50 pm

I don't think he is, I think he trying to say that the racist ways of now are in part down to both sides not having the same expectations.

People here thinking immigrants will give up what they where to "integrate" and those coming think they don't need to do anything to integrate (I know many do and I know I'm making a generalisation).

It's that "integration" and "multiculturalism" means different things to different people and government has done a good job to set expectations and define what those terms should be.

I could be wrong of course, but thats how I read it.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 5
by Moggy » Sat Apr 20, 2019 9:56 pm

Again, which immigrants come here thinking they need to do nothing to integrate?

I know you don’t mean it that way, but it sounds like the bullshit arguments made by people on Facebook.

Britain has always been a country of immigrants. The immigrants have always been resented. And then they’ve been fully integrated just in time for the next group of immigrants to arrive and for the cycle to start again. Saying “Urghh but they don’t follow our ways!” (I know you’re not directly saying that) ignores that our way is eating Indian food while listening to Jamaican music.


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