Politics Thread 5

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by Partridge Iciclebubbles » Tue Nov 20, 2018 3:49 pm

Corbyn is obviously playing a VERY long game.

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by Lagamorph » Tue Nov 20, 2018 3:50 pm

I burst out laughing in the office at "Jeremy Corbyn the Magic Grandad" :lol:

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by KK » Tue Nov 20, 2018 7:32 pm

Very long feature article heading up the Guardian currently....

Revealed: one in four Europeans vote populist

Exclusive research shows how populists tripled their vote over the past two decades

- Against the backdrop of increasing populist vote share and influence, the Guardian is launching a six-month investigative series to explore who the new populists are, what factors brought them to power, and what they are doing once in office.

Populist parties have more than tripled their support in Europe in the last 20 years, securing enough votes to put their leaders into government posts in 11 countries and challenging the established political order across the continent.

The steady growth in support for European populist parties, particularly on the right, is revealed in a groundbreaking analysis of their performance in national elections in 31 European countries over two decades, conducted by the Guardian in conjunction with more than 30 leading political scientists.

The data shows that populism has been consistently on the rise since at least 1998. Two decades ago, populist parties were largely a marginal force, accounting for just 7% of votes across the continent; in the most recent national elections, one in four votes cast was for a populist party.

“Not so long ago populism was a phenomenon of the political fringes,” said Matthijs Rooduijn, a political sociologist at the University of Amsterdam, who led the research project.

“Today it has become increasingly mainstream: some of the most significant recent political developments like the Brexit referendum and the election of Donald Trump cannot be understood without taking into account the rise of populism.

“The breeding ground for populism has become increasingly fertile, and populist parties are ever more capable of reaping the rewards.”

Supporters of populism say it champions the ordinary person against vested interests and hence is a vital force in any democracy. But critics say that populists in power often subvert democratic norms, whether by undermining the media and judiciary or by trampling minority rights.

The findings of the study come six months before European parliamentary elections that some are predicting could return more rightwing populists than ever to the 751-seat chamber.

Full feature: https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-in ... e-populist

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by Mr. Mystery Garth » Tue Nov 20, 2018 8:12 pm



Just another GRcadian who saw too many Christmas movies as a child. Another orphan of a bankrupt culture who thinks he's John McClane.
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by KK » Tue Nov 20, 2018 10:54 pm



This front page epitomises fake news...it happened 17 years ago. :fp:

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by Irene Demova » Wed Nov 21, 2018 12:16 am

That guardian thing would get you in trouble if you tried to argue it as a polsci thesis lol, it's literally just lumping every party that isn't a mainstream liberal one into one boat labeled "populism"

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by Partridge Iciclebubbles » Wed Nov 21, 2018 12:22 pm



:lol:

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by KK » Wed Nov 21, 2018 12:34 pm

YouGov wrote:Voting intention, YouGov - 19th November 2018

Conservative: 39%
Labour: 36%
Liberal Democrats: 8%
UKIP: 6%
Green: 4%
Other: 3%

Previous result (5th November 2018):

Conservative: 41%
Labour: 37%
Liberal Democrats: 8%
UKIP: 4%
Green: 4%
Other: 6%

UKIP up a bit...could see that reaching 10 next year.

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by Lex-Man » Wed Nov 21, 2018 12:55 pm

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46264291? ... cTw7LFQmsM

BBC Reality Check asked the Office for National Statistics (ONS) whether working just one hour a week was all that was needed to be officially classified as employed?

The ONS told us it was actually one hour over two weeks.


It's really bad that you can be counted as employeed if you only work 1 hour every fortnight.

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by Partridge Iciclebubbles » Wed Nov 21, 2018 1:04 pm

lex-man wrote:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46264291?fbclid=IwAR1JnVIn-N9txlIgSY8GxkjlXu4da7W-9xiBSbD4lNB2XYIDScTw7LFQmsM

BBC Reality Check asked the Office for National Statistics (ONS) whether working just one hour a week was all that was needed to be officially classified as employed?

The ONS told us it was actually one hour over two weeks.


It's really bad that you can be counted as employeed if you only work 1 hour every fortnight.


It's really good though if you are in government and want to see headlines that read "Lowest unemployment figures in history"

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by KK » Wed Nov 21, 2018 1:13 pm

Even if the ONS figures were wrong and you added considerable excess on top, those working 6 hours or fewer would still only come to half a million and have little impact on the unemployment figures. Better to look at what people are actually earning.

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by Walking in a Winter Winckleland » Wed Nov 21, 2018 2:05 pm

Irene Demova wrote:That guardian thing would get you in trouble if you tried to argue it as a polsci thesis lol, it's literally just lumping every party that isn't a mainstream liberal one into one boat labeled "populism"

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by Partridge Iciclebubbles » Wed Nov 21, 2018 2:18 pm

Who was it that said climate protests don’t achieve anything?



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by KK » Wed Nov 21, 2018 2:21 pm

I thought he still lived in Dubai.

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by Hyperion » Wed Nov 21, 2018 2:23 pm

Dorries strikes again


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by KK » Wed Nov 21, 2018 2:32 pm

Conservative's answer to Diane Abbott.

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by Lex-Man » Wed Nov 21, 2018 2:41 pm

KK wrote:Even if the ONS figures were wrong and you added considerable excess on top, those working 6 hours or fewer would still only come to half a million and have little impact on the unemployment figures. Better to look at what people are actually earning.


Sure but better figures like putting out max, min, mean and median values for hours worked and salary would give us a better idea of what's going on. Also maybe quartile ranges.

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by KK » Wed Nov 21, 2018 3:07 pm

The worst thing in that article was the bloke's son going to work and then being turned away half of the time because he wasn't needed. Clearly unacceptable. At the very least he should have been told the night before via text/email/phone call, and ideally you'd be notified much earlier than that. Jobs where you have limited notice (and in this case no notice) should also pay better per hour. The surgery my Mum works in has recently been having a lot of locum doctors in and they're on £90 an hour, which is another example of NHS waste. And it's unfair.

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by Squinty » Wed Nov 21, 2018 4:45 pm

KK wrote:The worst thing in that article was the bloke's son going to work and then being turned away half of the time because he wasn't needed. Clearly unacceptable. At the very least he should have been told the night before via text/email/phone call, and ideally you'd be notified much earlier than that. Jobs where you have limited notice (and in this case no notice) should also pay better per hour. The surgery my Mum works in has recently been having a lot of locum doctors in and they're on £90 an hour, which is another example of NHS waste. And it's unfair.


That's more common than you would think for people on zero hour contracts, unfortunately.

I always wondered how much locums are paid as well. The more you know.

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by Lex-Man » Wed Nov 21, 2018 5:29 pm

Squinty wrote:
KK wrote:The worst thing in that article was the bloke's son going to work and then being turned away half of the time because he wasn't needed. Clearly unacceptable. At the very least he should have been told the night before via text/email/phone call, and ideally you'd be notified much earlier than that. Jobs where you have limited notice (and in this case no notice) should also pay better per hour. The surgery my Mum works in has recently been having a lot of locum doctors in and they're on £90 an hour, which is another example of NHS waste. And it's unfair.


That's more common than you would think for people on zero hour contracts, unfortunately.

I always wondered how much locums are paid as well. The more you know.


When I worked in catering I'd get paid 1.5 hours if they immediately send me straight home. If I started they had to pay a minimum of 4 hours when they sent me home.

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