Politics Thread 5

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PostRe: Politics Thread 5
by Moggy » Wed Jul 24, 2019 9:37 am

Tafdolphin wrote:
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Green Gecko wrote:I really miss David Cameron now, he was a smug banana split but at least he wasn't a total moron.


Cameron was a scumbag, and is largely responsible for the chaos we have now.

May was a bad PM, but she was given the impossible task of cleaning up the complete omnishambles he left behind (and so was always going to fail).


I really hope this doesn't become her legacy as it really isn't true at all. She oversaw the EU negotiations and, rather than attempting to gain the best deal for the country, kowtowwed to the fringe elements of her party to sure up her own position which backfired spectacularly when the idiots she put in charge were simply unfit for the job and those fringe elements turned out to be far further right than she expected (but exactly as far right as everyone else expected).

She had every opportunity to steer us, if not out of the Brexit mess, then towards the less damaging shores of a decent deal.

She consciously chose not to.


100% what Taf said.

She was a banana split as Home Secretary, the hostile environment and Windrush spring to mind.

She then chose to run for PM.

She then set down her red lines. She decided to say “Brexit means Brexit”. She went to stare out the House of Lords. She decided to hold a snap election. She refused to listen to anybody else. She was unable to control her own party rebels.

Cameron was a useless prick, but May was far far worse.

On the plus side for her, Johnson is likely to very quickly overtake her on the list for worst ever PM.

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by Lex-Man » Wed Jul 24, 2019 9:46 am

Moggy wrote:
Tafdolphin wrote:
Vermilion wrote:
Green Gecko wrote:I really miss David Cameron now, he was a smug banana split but at least he wasn't a total moron.


Cameron was a scumbag, and is largely responsible for the chaos we have now.

May was a bad PM, but she was given the impossible task of cleaning up the complete omnishambles he left behind (and so was always going to fail).


I really hope this doesn't become her legacy as it really isn't true at all. She oversaw the EU negotiations and, rather than attempting to gain the best deal for the country, kowtowwed to the fringe elements of her party to sure up her own position which backfired spectacularly when the idiots she put in charge were simply unfit for the job and those fringe elements turned out to be far further right than she expected (but exactly as far right as everyone else expected).

She had every opportunity to steer us, if not out of the Brexit mess, then towards the less damaging shores of a decent deal.

She consciously chose not to.


100% what Taf said.

She was a banana split as Home Secretary, the hostile environment and Windrush spring to mind.

She then chose to run for PM.

She then set down her red lines. She decided to say “Brexit means Brexit”. She went to stare out the House of Lords. She decided to hold a snap election. She refused to listen to anybody else. She was unable to control her own party rebels.

Cameron was a useless prick, but May was far far worse.

On the plus side for her, Johnson is likely to very quickly overtake her on the list for worst ever PM.


Honestly I think she'll be largely forgotten in between Cameron who started it and Boris who, well god knows what he'll do. She's basically spend three years doing nothing and her contribution to Brexit will summed up in a sentence.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 5
by Hexx » Wed Jul 24, 2019 9:49 am

May did fine on her terms.

She got pretty much the best deal possible for her Red Lines - probably the best version of "hard Brexit" with a deal.

The problem is the Brexiteers in the party are completely divorced from the reality of what they want.

If they believe these solutions to the Irish border are so easy, they should absolutely no problem with the backstop - because it'll never be needed.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 5
by Karl_ » Wed Jul 24, 2019 9:54 am

Theresa May is, and always was, a fascist. She was a fascist who thought veiling her fascism in an establishment tone was the best way to implement fascist policies. She was a fascist for the old politics.

Boris Johnson is a fascist for the new politics, inspired by the alt-right and willing to be nakedly evil, openly self-serving, speaking the same bumbling language of populism as Trump, and he will ultimately be a bridge between here and whatever the Brexit Party calls itself next.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 5
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PostRe: Politics Thread 5
by KK » Wed Jul 24, 2019 10:54 am

More fool those who donated.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 5
by Squinty » Wed Jul 24, 2019 10:55 am

Watch for the mental gymnastics of Tommeh defenders now.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 5
by KK » Wed Jul 24, 2019 10:56 am

They'll just accuse Lucy Brown of being a bitter slag or something.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 5
by Lex-Man » Wed Jul 24, 2019 11:14 am

Honestly I think it's better they send it on coke than their political ideology.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 5
by Moggy » Wed Jul 24, 2019 11:24 am

Squinty wrote:Watch for the mental gymnastics of Tommeh defenders now.


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PostRe: Politics Thread 5
by Knoyleo » Wed Jul 24, 2019 12:08 pm

White supremacist puff-piece bingo


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by Karl_ » Wed Jul 24, 2019 12:20 pm

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PostRe: Politics Thread 5
by Moggy » Wed Jul 24, 2019 12:26 pm

Knoyleo wrote:White supremacist puff-piece bingo



Toby “progressive eugenics” Young.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 5
by Dual » Wed Jul 24, 2019 12:30 pm

Knoyleo wrote:White supremacist puff-piece bingo



They had a proper hard on writing that.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 5
by Preezy » Wed Jul 24, 2019 12:44 pm

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PostRe: Politics Thread 5
by Moggy » Wed Jul 24, 2019 1:08 pm

As we are at page 298, should we celebrate the new PM with a new Politics Thread?

I am happy to do the honours, unless somebody else wants it?

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PostRe: Politics Thread 5
by Garth » Wed Jul 24, 2019 1:09 pm

Moggy wrote:As we are at page 298, should we celebrate the new PM with a new Politics Thread?

I am happy to do the honours, unless somebody else wants it?

Go for it.


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