Politics Thread 5

[Moggy]

[That]

That's a very succinct way to explain why the whole "can't we just listen to what they have to say?" thing is bad, I like it.

[Vermilion]

Someone went around the town here and scrawled 'free tommy' on a bunch of buildings, then someone went behind them, crossed out tommy and replaced it with Palestine, then that too was crossed off and it's now 'Free Willy'.

[Hexx]

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[That]

Robert Webb - like Graham Linehan, who also regularly has entertaining Twitter meltdowns - is a tosser.

[<]:^D]

i quite like Webb but Twitter seems to do that to people - makes them think their opinions should be shared with millions

[Meep]

I agree with not looking down on those without higher education. Many people struggle in school. I myself had problems with dyslexia and could barely read and write throughout most of my childhood. The fact that I am a graduate now is thanks largely to being lucky enough to have a family with the will and resources to help me overcome my earlier difficulties. Many are not so fortunate. That said, I also know that educating yourself is hard work and those who do it deserve recognition. If anything I think our society does not value academics nearly enough and there is a dangerous amount of anti-intellectualism about.

[Squinty]

Webb has been on a bit of a Twitter rampage over the past few days. I did agree with one of his earlier posts about the cult of the Corbynista.

I don't know what this whole Graham Linehan thing is about. I follow him, I see him posting stuff, but I don't understand the context of anything he posts.

[Moggy]

I grew up in a working class area and knew a few people that became street sweepers, binmen and other such jobs.

There was strawberry float all wisdom there.

[KK]

'We're tired of experts. What does Barry the streetsweeper think about Climate Change. Blimey, you'll never guess what...Barry is only a climatologist.'

[Hexx]

Personally I found Corbyn's (admittedly out of context) statement far more objectionable.

[Moggy]

Personally I found Corbyn's (admittedly out of context) statement far more objectionable.

I don’t think either statement was objectionable.

Corbyn is basically saying that just going to university doesn’t make you superior to others.

Webb is saying that some people worked hard to get into university so they could make better lives for themselves.

I don’t think being a street sweeper makes you scum or unworthy of being listened to, but it’s also not the job I dream of my son growing up to do.

[KK]

Someone who worked hard could still be sweeping the streets I think is the opposing argument.

My Mum briefly used to be a cleaner in a school. Not a mentally difficult job nor in any way challenging, and strangely quite satisfying, but tiring. Would probably be easier these days however if given a Dyson V10 and Dettol rather than a Henry and a j cloth...

[Hexx]

Personally I found Corbyn's (admittedly out of context) statement far more objectionable.

I don’t think either statement was objectionable.

Corbyn is basically saying that just going to university doesn’t make you superior to others.

Webb is saying that some people worked hard to get into university so they could make better lives for themselves.

I don’t think being a street sweeper makes you scum or unworthy of being listened to, but it’s also not the job I dream of my son growing up to do.

It's the first sentence of Corbyn's that's the problem "Because I didn't have a higher education I don't think I'm superior to others" - it's a poorly worded generalisation that could be read to attribute that position to anyone who did go to higher education automatically feels that.

It's pandering down for votes (a common theme of Corbyn's Labor movement)

Appearing to degenerate achievements (not everyone who went to higher education got a PPE from Oxbridge You can see why Webb got triggered - he's seen it as effectively insulting/calling traitors those from working class backgrounds who worked hard/pushed themselves/got lucky [delete as appropriate]) while spewing some misty eyed romanticism about the proletariat is not a good message.

It'd have been much simpler to say, for example, "Views from people of all works of life matter, and we should listen to all them. Wisdom can be found anywhere"

Then again Corbyn's as thick as a dried mud so it's probably just badly phrased. Again. (And I'd avoid any real judgement because never trust an out of context quote )

[Hypes]

Then again Corbyn's as thick as a dried mud so it's probably just badly phrased. Again.

There's Hexx again denigrating those who didn't go to university, calling them stupid

[Moggy]

Someone who worked hard could still be sweeping the streets I think is the opposing argument.

My Mum briefly used to be a cleaner in a school. Not a mentally difficult job nor in any way challenging, and strangely quite satisfying, but tiring. Would probably be easier these days however if given a Dyson V10 and Dettol rather than a Henry and a j cloth...

Of course street sweeping is hard work.

The “working hard” comment obviously means working hard at school.

[Hexx]

Then again Corbyn's as thick as a dried mud so it's probably just badly phrased. Again.

There's Hexx again denigrating those who didn't go to university, calling them stupid

Some of my best friends are stupid!

[Preezy]

I'm fully expecting Comrade Jezza to appoint some binmen into his shadow cabinet now.

[Rex Kramer]

It'd have been much simpler to say, for example, "Views from people of all works of life matter, and we should listen to all them. Wisdom can be found anywhere"

As long as we can add that 'although Bob the street cleaners views on the economic effects of a hard Brexit are valuable they do not have equal weight as to those of the governor of the Bank of England'.

[Hexx]

It'd have been much simpler to say, for example, "Views from people of all works of life matter, and we should listen to all them. Wisdom can be found anywhere"

As long as we can add that 'although Bob the street cleaners views on the economic effects of a hard Brexit are valuable they do not have equal weight as to those of the governor of the Bank of England'.

Well you and I can. Not sure JC would make it through the sentence without retching.