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by Rex Kramer » Thu Mar 07, 2019 2:36 pm



Jesus strawberry floating christ, the state of these people.

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by Moggy » Thu Mar 07, 2019 2:45 pm

Rex Kramer wrote:

Jesus strawberry floating christ, the state of these people.


It would be gobsmacking in 2019 if a normal person said it. For a Tory MP though? It probably makes her one of the most progressive….

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by Jenuall » Thu Mar 07, 2019 2:59 pm

:?:

What the actual strawberry float? You really couldn't make this gooseberry fool up.

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by Vermilion » Thu Mar 07, 2019 2:59 pm

Meanwhile, in the land of Labour...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47482048

The state of politics today is almost certainly the worst i have ever seen it, none of the parties are fit to govern.

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by captain red dog » Thu Mar 07, 2019 3:21 pm

I will give her the benefit of the doubt. I remember at school in the 90s that we were told to use the word "coloured" by one teacher as "black" was considered offensive at the time. A man I work with also used the term because he was under the impression that it was the polite term to use (we corrected him). I guess you could argue that a cabinet minister should know better, but even though I personally oppose virtually all of Rudds opinions, I think it's obvious that she actually didn't intend any offence.

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by Moggy » Thu Mar 07, 2019 3:43 pm

captain red dog wrote:I will give her the benefit of the doubt. I remember at school in the 90s that we were told to use the word "coloured" by one teacher as "black" was considered offensive at the time. A man I work with also used the term because he was under the impression that it was the polite term to use (we corrected him). I guess you could argue that a cabinet minister should know better, but even though I personally oppose virtually all of Rudds opinions, I think it's obvious that she actually didn't intend any offence.


Unless “90s” was a typo for “70s” your teacher was a strawberry floating idiot. I was a teenager in the 90s and it was not acceptable to call people “coloured” then.

Rudd probably did misspeak and she probably isn’t a racist. But she’s already had to resign over Windrush (which was May’s strawberry float up) so this really isn’t a good look for her.

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by KK » Thu Mar 07, 2019 3:45 pm

It'd be like using the term half-caste today, it's all a bit 1995. People much older than Rudd however still tend to slip into using both. It's just another thing though that makes the Conservative party look out of touch with anyone under the age of, oooooh, 65.

Journalists such as Laura Kuenssberg would be more aware not to use either though because it's specifically in the editorial guidelines for the National Union of Journalists.

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by OrangeRKN » Thu Mar 07, 2019 3:46 pm

I can forgive my grandparents for using the term, and I can even accept that she probably meant it with no malice, but that doesn't excuse how she has somehow reached this point without being made aware of how it shouldn't be used. That's unacceptable for any MP, let alone a senior one in government. These people are supposed to be informed.

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by KK » Thu Mar 07, 2019 3:48 pm

Amber Rudd also dated a black Conservative MP for a while, so you'd think she'd be a bit more aware.

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by Jenuall » Thu Mar 07, 2019 3:51 pm

Is there a link somewhere to her using it?

I'm just trying to work out what the context was as I'm finding it hard to think why she had to use any description along these lines when referring to Diane Abbot? Could she not just refer to her by name?

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by Hexx » Thu Mar 07, 2019 3:53 pm

Jenuall wrote:Is there a link somewhere to her using it?

I'm just trying to work out what the context was as I'm finding it hard to think why she had to use any description along these lines when referring to Diane Abbot? Could she not just refer to her by name?


On the Jeremy Vine Show just now Amber Rudd referred to Diane Abbott as a “coloured woman” while discussing racism:

“It’s worst of all if you are a coloured woman. I know that Diane Abbott gets a huge amount of abuse.”

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by KK » Thu Mar 07, 2019 3:58 pm

Come on, let's have a singsong...


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by Jenuall » Thu Mar 07, 2019 4:03 pm

Hexx wrote:
Jenuall wrote:Is there a link somewhere to her using it?

I'm just trying to work out what the context was as I'm finding it hard to think why she had to use any description along these lines when referring to Diane Abbot? Could she not just refer to her by name?


On the Jeremy Vine Show just now Amber Rudd referred to Diane Abbott as a “coloured woman” while discussing racism:

“It’s worst of all if you are a coloured woman. I know that Diane Abbott gets a huge amount of abuse.”


Okay thanks for that. Not the worst slip up in the world but still heavily out of touch with what is currently acceptable!

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by Preezy » Thu Mar 07, 2019 4:13 pm

Can someone explain to me why "coloured person" is unacceptable, but "person of colour" is acceptable?

Is it just that the powers that be have decided that to be the case?

Genuine question, not trying to be controversial or offensive.

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by Hexx » Thu Mar 07, 2019 4:19 pm

Is person of colour acceptable? I - a middle class white guy - thought it wasn't now

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by Moggy » Thu Mar 07, 2019 4:20 pm

Preezy wrote:Can someone explain to me why "coloured person" is unacceptable, but "person of colour" is acceptable?

Is it just that the powers that be have decided that to be the case?

Genuine question, not trying to be controversial or offensive.


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by Gemini73 » Thu Mar 07, 2019 4:26 pm

Putting aside this story for a moment I'm genuinely stunned by the fact that we have a Tory government practically on its knees and yet instead of taking them to task Corbyn is walking around with his thumb up his ass. Truly amazing.

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by Preezy » Thu Mar 07, 2019 4:40 pm

Moggy wrote:
Preezy wrote:Can someone explain to me why "coloured person" is unacceptable, but "person of colour" is acceptable?

Is it just that the powers that be have decided that to be the case?

Genuine question, not trying to be controversial or offensive.


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Moggy, I know why "coloured person" is unacceptable, I wouldn't ever use it and would actively call out and correct someone that said it in front of me (I've done this with relatives on a couple of occasions). I'm not saying "why can't I use coloured person?", I'm saying "why can I use person of colour?". Both terms are offensive in my opinion.

Hexx wrote:Is person of colour acceptable? I - a middle class white guy - thought it wasn't now

I assumed it was, perhaps my own ignorance is even more out of date than I realised.

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by satriales » Thu Mar 07, 2019 4:42 pm

Gemini73 wrote:Putting aside this story for a moment I'm genuinely stunned by the fact that we have a Tory government practically on its knees and yet instead of taking them to task Corbyn is walking around with his thumb up his ass. Truly amazing.

He's been speaking with the EU and Tory remainers over a softer Brexit plan rather than no deal. Hammond is even admitting that Corbyn's Brexit is what we will probably end up with when May's is rejected again.

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by Moggy » Thu Mar 07, 2019 4:43 pm

Preezy wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Preezy wrote:Can someone explain to me why "coloured person" is unacceptable, but "person of colour" is acceptable?

Is it just that the powers that be have decided that to be the case?

Genuine question, not trying to be controversial or offensive.


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Moggy, I know why "coloured person" is unacceptable, I wouldn't ever use it and would actively call out and correct someone that said it in front of me (I've done this with relatives on a couple of occasions). I'm not saying "why can't I use coloured person?", I'm saying "why can I use person of colour?". Both terms are offensive in my opinion.

Hexx wrote:Is person of colour acceptable? I - a middle class white guy - thought it wasn't now

I assumed it was, perhaps my own ignorance is even more out of date than I realised.


“Person of colour” isn’t really anymore acceptable, but it’s never really been used much here. It’s an American term that’s creeping in over here.

Basically it refers to all non-white people, whereas “coloured” was just in reference to black people.

And some black people find it offensive. https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/bl ... 16561.html


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