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by Hexx » Thu Mar 07, 2019 4:45 pm

Preezy wrote:I assumed it was, perhaps my own ignorance is even more out of date than I realised.


Well you've been busy being Secretary of State for Work and Pensions

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by captain red dog » Thu Mar 07, 2019 5:11 pm

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captain red dog wrote:I will give her the benefit of the doubt. I remember at school in the 90s that we were told to use the word "coloured" by one teacher as "black" was considered offensive at the time. A man I work with also used the term because he was under the impression that it was the polite term to use (we corrected him). I guess you could argue that a cabinet minister should know better, but even though I personally oppose virtually all of Rudds opinions, I think it's obvious that she actually didn't intend any offence.


Unless “90s” was a typo for “70s” your teacher was a strawberry floating idiot. I was a teenager in the 90s and it was not acceptable to call people “coloured” then.

Rudd probably did misspeak and she probably isn’t a racist. But she’s already had to resign over Windrush (which was May’s strawberry float up) so this really isn’t a good look for her.

John Barnes on Sheila Fogarty today is a good listen. He said himself that 25 years ago coloured was seen as the polite term, black was seen as offensive.

He also pointed out that Rudd's message about black people being under represented has been completely lost in yet another faux racism debate.

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by Moggy » Thu Mar 07, 2019 5:25 pm

captain red dog wrote:
Moggy wrote:
captain red dog wrote:I will give her the benefit of the doubt. I remember at school in the 90s that we were told to use the word "coloured" by one teacher as "black" was considered offensive at the time. A man I work with also used the term because he was under the impression that it was the polite term to use (we corrected him). I guess you could argue that a cabinet minister should know better, but even though I personally oppose virtually all of Rudds opinions, I think it's obvious that she actually didn't intend any offence.


Unless “90s” was a typo for “70s” your teacher was a strawberry floating idiot. I was a teenager in the 90s and it was not acceptable to call people “coloured” then.

Rudd probably did misspeak and she probably isn’t a racist. But she’s already had to resign over Windrush (which was May’s strawberry float up) so this really isn’t a good look for her.

John Barnes on Sheila Fogarty today is a good listen. He said himself that 25 years ago coloured was seen as the polite term, black was seen as offensive.

He also pointed out that Rudd's message about black people being under represented has been completely lost in yet another faux racism debate.


John Barnes is massively wrong if he thinks “black” was considered offensive in 1994. And we would not have used the term “coloured” when I was at school - and I went to a Whitey McWhiteface school.

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by That's not a growth » Thu Mar 07, 2019 5:51 pm

When I was a kid I thought black was an offensive term, but I think I got that from American TV where they seem to go crazy if African American wasn't used.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 5
by Moggy » Thu Mar 07, 2019 7:45 pm

James Brown was singing “Say it Loud - I’m Black and I’m Proud” in the late 60s.

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by Oblomov Boblomov » Thu Mar 07, 2019 7:59 pm

I remember being given the impression I shouldn't use the word black to describe a black person when I was at primary school (mid to late 90s). I'm sure the term coloured was believed to be more acceptable, although that seemed to have been stamped out by the end of the millennium.

There were no black people around though, so it was just white people determining what black people would find offensive or acceptable.

I can't think of a single good explanation for Amber Rudd to be using the term in 2019.

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by KK » Thu Mar 07, 2019 10:37 pm

An unprecedented move by the government:


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by Lex-Man » Thu Mar 07, 2019 11:28 pm

I've always used Black but I once called my girlfriend half caste and she wasn't best pleased.

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by Rocsteady » Thu Mar 07, 2019 11:51 pm

Black card why yes but I prefer the term African American express

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by Denster » Fri Mar 08, 2019 2:10 am

The term 'coloured' was more common in the eighties as I remember it. It was deemed preferable to black. I think as the 80s drew to an end black became common and was far more acceptable term. Coloured then became a more negative word or was perceived as such. I think the phrase I heard a lot then was it was offensive as it didn't describe an individual race but was a generic term like 'them' but I also seem to remember that it was used by people as a politer version of other words they would also use in less polite society.

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by Skarjo » Fri Mar 08, 2019 2:31 am

In the nineties I definitely remember both black and coloured being off the cards.

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by Parksey » Fri Mar 08, 2019 3:56 am

I was a kid in the 90s and a teenager in the early 2000s. I never heard "coloured" used at all. That was the domain of 1970s sitcoms and stuff my grandparents used to say to make everyone else in the room feel awkward. I've never heard my parents say it either.

I understand John Barnes saying that the furore actually masks the real argument Rudd was making but, Christ, she's a politician so her job is all about having her finger on the zeitgeist and up to date on current affairs. That's what she's there to bloody manage. She should have known to say such things, even if that's the word her brain automatically went to pluck out.

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by Knoyleo » Fri Mar 08, 2019 7:27 am

*Don't say funny tinge*

*Don't say funny tinge*

*Don't say funny tinge*

"The coloureds..."

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by Vermilion » Fri Mar 08, 2019 7:44 am

Rocsteady wrote:Black card




Denster wrote:The term 'coloured' was more common in the eighties as I remember it. It was deemed preferable to black. I think as the 80s drew to an end black became common and was far more acceptable term. Coloured then became a more negative word or was perceived as such.


I first noticed this at school in the late 80's, people would always say 'coloured' instead of 'black' because it was then considered to be a more polite term.

Obviously things changed as time went on, but it was definitely like that around the time.

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by Rex Kramer » Fri Mar 08, 2019 8:12 am

Twitter seems to be full of white people deciding what black people should be happy with being called.

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by Moggy » Fri Mar 08, 2019 8:19 am

Rex Kramer wrote:Twitter seems to be full of white people deciding what black people should be happy with being called.


The same white people that lose their strawberry floating minds if you call them gammon?

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by Rex Kramer » Fri Mar 08, 2019 8:20 am

Moggy wrote:
Rex Kramer wrote:Twitter seems to be full of white people deciding what black people should be happy with being called.


The same white people that lose their strawberry floating minds if you call them gammon?

Almost certainly yes, this particular issue is political correctness gone mad (as that seems to be the only way political correctness can go) whereas calling someone gammon is a terrible impingement of their human rights.

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by Moggy » Fri Mar 08, 2019 8:25 am

Rex Kramer wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Rex Kramer wrote:Twitter seems to be full of white people deciding what black people should be happy with being called.


The same white people that lose their strawberry floating minds if you call them gammon?

Almost certainly yes, this particular issue is political correctness gone mad (as that seems to be the only way political correctness can go) whereas calling someone gammon is a terrible impingement of their human rights.


I’ve seen a lot of them trying to justify it by saying things like “but we all have a colour! White is a colour! So how can they be offended by being called coloured?”

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by Rex Kramer » Fri Mar 08, 2019 8:27 am

Funnily enough there's also a lot of similar sort of people getting het up about International Women's Day and a push for equal pay.

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by Moggy » Fri Mar 08, 2019 8:40 am

Rex Kramer wrote:Funnily enough there's also a lot of similar sort of people getting het up about International Women's Day and a push for equal pay.


Funny that, it's almost like being an arsehole about black people is an indicator that somebody will be an arsehole about women as well....

I am tempted to send some "When is International Men's Day" tweets just to get Richard Herring to send me an angry reply though. :shifty:


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