Politics Thread 5

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by Rex Kramer » Sat Mar 09, 2019 5:05 pm

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strawberry floating hell Chuka, the gammon vote love national service but they are never going to vote for you. :lol:

Aren't they suggesting something similar to what the French are currently doing? More a civil service?

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by Karl_ » Sat Mar 09, 2019 5:20 pm

National service in any form is repulsive, on the same level as workhouses and debtors' prisons. It is quite literally a fascist policy.

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by Moggy » Sat Mar 09, 2019 5:31 pm

Rex Kramer wrote:
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strawberry floating hell Chuka, the gammon vote love national service but they are never going to vote for you. :lol:

Aren't they suggesting something similar to what the French are currently doing? More a civil service?


I think that’s what he’s suggesting.

I’ll support it, but only if it’s for the over 50s. Let’s see how many gammons support that.

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by Rex Kramer » Sat Mar 09, 2019 5:33 pm

There is certainly an issue with social cohesion but it's fairly obvious that the issue doesn't lie with the 16-24 age group who would be most likely targeted by this kind of scheme. Roll it out to everyone, make it a couple of weeks at the most and I might get on board.

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by <]:^D » Sat Mar 09, 2019 5:57 pm

Oblomov Boblomov wrote:I have this image in my head of Lotus meeting a new person:

"Hello, black man!"

It's not a minefield because between strangers/non-friends there is never any actual reason to make the definition in a casual setting. If there is then you're probably already friendly enough with them that it's not an issue.

There may be certain circumstances where it is required in a more formal manner, in which case common courtesy would see you go through a process, e.g. "I'm just filling out this form and there's a section on diversity — how would you like your race to be recorded?".


genuine :lol:

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by Dowbocop » Sat Mar 09, 2019 6:53 pm

Outrunner wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Outrunner wrote:
Oblomov Boblomov wrote:I have this image in my head of Lotus meeting a new person:

"Hello, black man!"

It's not a minefield because between strangers/non-friends there is never any actual reason to make the definition in a casual setting. If there is then you're probably already friendly enough with them that it's not an issue.

There may be certain circumstances where it is required in a more formal manner, in which case common courtesy would see you go through a process, e.g. "I'm just filling out this form and there's a section on diversity — how would you like your race to be recorded?".


When we had to record ethnic background, gender and any disabilities for new customers this is what we did. I always gave them the option to not answer if they'd prefer not to. Literally the only complaints we ever had were "I'm not white British, I'm white English, where's that option?!"


“That option is there listed as “gammon””.


I can neither confirm or deny that this was the case (but yes, yes it was)

Genuine exchange I had with a Not-British-But-English bloke:

"There's no English but I bet there's a Jamaican option in't there! What would you put if I was Jamaican, eh?! Go on, what would you put?!"

"I'd put Caribbean sir..."

"...

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...this country's going downhill...
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by Outrunner » Sat Mar 09, 2019 11:47 pm

Dowbocop wrote:
Outrunner wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Outrunner wrote:
Oblomov Boblomov wrote:I have this image in my head of Lotus meeting a new person:

"Hello, black man!"

It's not a minefield because between strangers/non-friends there is never any actual reason to make the definition in a casual setting. If there is then you're probably already friendly enough with them that it's not an issue.

There may be certain circumstances where it is required in a more formal manner, in which case common courtesy would see you go through a process, e.g. "I'm just filling out this form and there's a section on diversity — how would you like your race to be recorded?".


When we had to record ethnic background, gender and any disabilities for new customers this is what we did. I always gave them the option to not answer if they'd prefer not to. Literally the only complaints we ever had were "I'm not white British, I'm white English, where's that option?!"


“That option is there listed as “gammon””.


I can neither confirm or deny that this was the case (but yes, yes it was)

Genuine exchange I had with a Not-British-But-English bloke:

"There's no English but I bet there's a Jamaican option in't there! What would you put if I was Jamaican, eh?! Go on, what would you put?!"

"I'd put Caribbean sir..."

"...

...

...

...this country's going downhill...
"


Oh god! The number of times I had that exact conversation or variations of it. I'm so glad we don't ask for that information anymore, it's saved me so many annoying conversations with very angry English men (and very occasionally women)

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PostRe: Politics Thread 5
by KK » Sun Mar 10, 2019 9:26 am

London and the UK not the only ones having crime related issues on transport...

2 Violent Attacks Reported At Same Subway Station Within Hours

NEW YORK (CBSNewYork) – Police are investigating another violent crime on the subway.

Two attacks were reported within the last 24 hours at the 125th Street and Lexington Avenue station in East Harlem. A 30-year-old man was charged with assault in one incident, but police are searching for the suspect in the other.

“It’s kind of crazy. That’s two different incidents at two separate pretty nuts,” commuter Alonzo Jacobs told CBS2’s Jenna DeAngelis. “Anything can happen to anybody, and it’s bad.”

Julio Leonardo allegedly punched a conductor on the 4 train platform shortly after midnight. Police said Leonard had been holding the doors of a train. When the conductor asked Leonard to stop, he allegedly punched him, and the conductor punched back.

“Our conductor was just doing his job, helping our customers and helping to keep the train moving when he was senselessly attacked,” Transit Authority President Andy Byford said in a statement. “I am disgusted by this attack on my colleague and we are working closely with police to ensure that the perpetrator is held accountable.”

“Riders don’t fully understand how difficult and dangerous working in the subway can be. This terrible incident is an ugly example,” Transport Workers Union President Tony Utano said in a statement of his own. “This was a disgusting and outrageous attack, and we will do everything we can to see that this criminal gets the punishment he deserves in court.”

A few hours earlier at the same station, another man was slashed in the face.

Police said the suspect and victim were strangers and got into an argument after bumping into each other.

“I just saw the guy, he had a bandage like this and he was walking with the police,” one witness said. “It worried me, because that means at any given time anybody could get hurt. So there needs to be more police presence, or subway stations need to have checkpoints or something.”

Officers could be seen inside and outside the station Friday. Still, commuters were uneasy.

“There’s a lot of violence every day here,” one person said.

“This station is one of the worst,” said another.

“People with mental health, people who clearly need help acting out, yelling, screaming profanity,” a man added.

Earlier this week, the NYPD said overall, crime in the city is down, but in the transit system, it’s up – a 5.6 percent increase this February compared to the same time last year. So far this year, there’s been an average of six crimes a day across the entire transit system.

Just last night, police arrested a man for allegedly following a 13-year-old girl on the subway and groping her on two different occasions.

On Tuesday, a man was arrested after police said he punched an 8-year-old boy with autism in the back of the head while the child was riding the subway into the Fulton Street station with his mom.

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A suspect is in custody after a bizarre series of spray attacks on Manhattan subway passengers Friday afternoon, which police are probing as a possible hate crime

The 23-year-old woman was arrested Saturday afternoon in the Bronx after assaulting another young woman, the NYPD said. They did not immediately identify her.

The NYPD's Hate Crime Task Force was investigating, and also looking into whether a separate spray assault in the Bronx on Friday was related. (The female suspect is black, and all seven victims are white.)

Police said the woman sprayed victims with an "unknown chemical substance" that victims believe to be mace or pepper spray.

The woman first targeted a subway station in Harlem at 125th Street and St. Nicholas Avenue on Friday around noon. One man was hit in his eye at close range.

Authorities say she then left the station and sprayed five more people on the street.

Minutes later, a woman was sprayed in the station at West 96th Street and Broadway.

"She just walked up to me, literally walked up, maced me and kept walking," victim Joshua Smith told News 4 New York.

https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2019/03/08 ... y-station/
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/S ... 38321.html

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by Moggy » Sun Mar 10, 2019 11:15 am




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by KK » Sun Mar 10, 2019 11:50 am

How on earth did he manage to get that much in debt.

And come to think of it, if it can’t survive a car journey, how’s it going to survive postage? That doesn’t make sense!

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by Knoyleo » Sun Mar 10, 2019 1:23 pm

KK wrote:How on earth did he manage to get that much in debt.

And come to think of it, if it can’t survive a car journey, how’s it going to survive postage? That doesn’t make sense!

"Won't survive the move" is code for downsizing.

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by Lex-Man » Sun Mar 10, 2019 1:55 pm

Why would anyone want that picture?

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by Ironhide » Sun Mar 10, 2019 9:55 pm

Karl wrote:National service in any form is repulsive, on the same level as workhouses and debtors' prisons. It is quite literally a fascist policy.


This.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 5
by Moggy » Mon Mar 11, 2019 9:52 am

That awful Jeremy Vine show is on in the background and they are asking if Begum’s baby’s death is the governments fault.

Why are people so incapable of thinking outside of binary options. Every call is “it’s her fault, not the governments!”. Is it so hard to see that BOTH are at fault?

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by OrangeRKN » Mon Mar 11, 2019 10:53 am

Moggy wrote:
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Tweets don't show up on my browser so I just see this in response to KK posting about violent attacks on the New York subway

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by Moggy » Mon Mar 11, 2019 10:55 am

OrangeRKN wrote:
Moggy wrote:
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Tweets don't show up on my browser so I just see this in response to KK posting about violent attacks on the New York subway


:shifty:

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by jawafour » Mon Mar 11, 2019 11:12 am

Moggy wrote:...Why are people so incapable of thinking outside of binary options...

That's an unacceptable method of thinking in today's world. One's thoughts and words are expected to be completely, totally, 100% in favour of a single perspective; if you veer from that approach then you will ridiculed. News and online media want to set binary choices and make quick judgements; they have no time for other thoughts.

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by Moggy » Mon Mar 11, 2019 11:23 am

jawafour wrote:
Moggy wrote:...Why are people so incapable of thinking outside of binary options...

That's an unacceptable method of thinking in today's world. One's thoughts and words are expected to be completely, totally, 100% in favour of a single perspective; if you veer from that approach then you will ridiculed. News and online media want to set binary choices and make quick judgements; they have no time for other thoughts.


You think EVERYONE thinks like that and that EVERY news media does it?

#jawaispartoftheproblem

I am joking!

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by jawafour » Mon Mar 11, 2019 11:28 am

Moggy wrote:#jawaispartoftheproblem

... :lol: .

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by Moggy » Mon Mar 11, 2019 11:45 am

jawafour wrote:
Moggy wrote:#jawaispartoftheproblem

... :lol: .


You were right though, the media only ever presents things as a binary option. “Is this bad, or is it good”. For most things there are all sorts of areas of grey inbetween.

Except Brexit of course, that’s all bad. ;)


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