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by Cuttooth » Mon Mar 11, 2019 12:13 pm

jawafour wrote:
Moggy wrote:...Why are people so incapable of thinking outside of binary options...

That's an unacceptable method of thinking in today's world. One's thoughts and words are expected to be completely, totally, 100% in favour of a single perspective; if you veer from that approach then you will ridiculed. News and online media want to set binary choices and make quick judgements; they have no time for other thoughts.

Do you have examples of this you find especially egregious?

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by jawafour » Mon Mar 11, 2019 12:50 pm

Cuttooth wrote:Do you have examples of this you find especially egregious?

In my view, channels for communication and news (paper and digital) are often geared up towards creating division and provoking reaction rather than encouraging reasonable debate. Which is understandable as they're more interested in purchases / hits rather than views. No-one is really interested in a report saying "A is quite good, B offers options and we like this about C"; it has to be "A is evil and B is utopia!".

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by OrangeRKN » Mon Mar 11, 2019 12:52 pm

Cuttooth wrote:
jawafour wrote:
Moggy wrote:...Why are people so incapable of thinking outside of binary options...

That's an unacceptable method of thinking in today's world. One's thoughts and words are expected to be completely, totally, 100% in favour of a single perspective; if you veer from that approach then you will ridiculed. News and online media want to set binary choices and make quick judgements; they have no time for other thoughts.

Do you have examples of this you find especially egregious?



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by Lagamorph » Mon Mar 11, 2019 11:47 pm


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by Preezy » Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:53 am

BBC News, on Boris the banana split wrote:Mr Johnson was speaking to the radio station about police numbers on the streets and investment.

"Keeping numbers high on the streets is certainly important. But the question is where you spend the money and where you deploy the officers," he said.

"One comment I would make is that I think an awful lot of the money, an awful lot of police time, now goes into these historic offences and all this malarkey - £60m I saw was being spaffed up the wall on some investigation into historic child abuse and all this kind of thing.

"What on earth is that going to do to protect the public now? What the people want is to see officers out on the streets doing what they signed up to do."

What a gooseberry fool stain of a human being.

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by Rex Kramer » Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:42 pm

He went to a public school and therefore he doesn't call it sexual abuse, he just knows it as fourth period on a Tuesday.

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by Moggy » Thu Mar 14, 2019 1:03 pm

Preezy wrote:
BBC News, on Boris the banana split wrote:Mr Johnson was speaking to the radio station about police numbers on the streets and investment.

"Keeping numbers high on the streets is certainly important. But the question is where you spend the money and where you deploy the officers," he said.

"One comment I would make is that I think an awful lot of the money, an awful lot of police time, now goes into these historic offences and all this malarkey - £60m I saw was being spaffed up the wall on some investigation into historic child abuse and all this kind of thing.

"What on earth is that going to do to protect the public now? What the people want is to see officers out on the streets doing what they signed up to do."

What a gooseberry fool stain of a human being.


He’s had a haircut but he is still a stain on humanity.

And a strawberry floating hypocrite when you remember how much money he “spaffed” up the wall on his bridge.

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by KK » Sat Mar 16, 2019 10:33 pm

May as well make it piss and moan about the BBC night....

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The media really needs to stop having “balance” like this. It’s strawberry floating ridiculous, especially on a platform like the BBC.

Climate change deniers, racist scum, religious extremists, “thinktanks” who refuse to confirm where their funding comes from and anti-vaxxers all need to strawberry float the strawberry float off.


From tomorrow’s Mail on Sunday:

The BBC has been accused of allowing its Comic Relief TV appeal to become ‘an advert for Jeremy Corbyn’.

Tory MPs reacted with FURY at this year’s Red Nose Day broadcast, lambasting BBC bosses for peddling ‘socialist nonsense’ and making ‘absurd’ claims about the scale of poverty in Britain.

During the six-hour broadcast on Friday night, celebrities painted a bleak picture of hunger, deprivation and homelessness in the UK, which MPs say amounted to a political attack on Theresa May’s Government.

Under its Royal Charter, the BBC has a strict obligation to remain politically neutral, but in a series of controversies that rocked its flagship charity appeal:

- Comedian Lenny Henry was heavily criticised for likening hunger in the UK with the malnutrition endured by millions in the developing world in the late 1980s;

- Chart-topping superstar Ed Sheeran was accused of hypocrisy after making a heartfelt plea about the plight of homeless people – after he sought to install railings to stop people sleeping rough outside his £8 million London home;

- Oscar-winning actress Olivia Colman urged viewers to support a refugee charity which has made repeated attacks on the Government and is run by the daughter of a key ally of Jeremy Corbyn;

- Donations to the appeal fell, with £8 million less raised this year than during the previous event in 2017;

- Viewing figures were also down, with 600,000 fewer people watching the show this year.

Just minutes into this year’s BBC1 broadcast, Mr Henry made an appeal for FareShare, a charity which collects food which would otherwise be thrown away and hands it out to food banks and women’s refuges.

Sir Lenny, who famously recorded a film in Ethiopia for the first Red Nose Day in 1988, warned that ‘real hunger’ is ‘hitting a huge number of people in this country’. He added: ‘I have been talking about global poverty since Comic Relief began but if you told me back then that I would be here today asking you to reach into your pockets so we could help feed children in the UK, one of the richest countries in the world, I wouldn’t have believed you.

‘But that is where we are and that is exactly what I am doing.’

His comments were last night branded ‘complete rubbish’ and ‘socialist nonsense’ by Iain Duncan Smith, the former Tory Work and Pensions Secretary. ‘That statement is frankly, simply not true,’ he said. ‘That is an absurd exaggeration and clearly should not be used in Comic Relief advertisements.’

FareShare claims that one in eight people ‘go hungry in the UK’, equivalent to more than 8.25 million people. But according to the latest figures from the UN’s Food and Agricultural Organisation, 2.2 million people in the UK – around 3.4 per cent – are ‘severely food insecure’, which means they are ‘experiencing hunger’.

Tory MP Nigel Evans said Sir Lenny’s film ‘paints a horrific picture’ of Britain, adding: ‘This is an advert for Jeremy Corbyn and his brand of politics that will alienate a lot of people.

‘This is a Party Political Broadcast and that is incredibly dangerous. I know they want to raise funds but distorting the picture in order to do so is not clever and it runs the risk of dragging the BBC and the charity into politics, which is somewhere they really do not want to go.’

The BBC last night said: ‘Across the evening a number of films are broadcast which demonstrate the depth and range of the many projects and issues supported by Comic Relief both in the UK and abroad. Thanks to the generosity of the public, vital work such as that shown last night can continue making a positive difference to so many people’s lives.’

Charity run by daughter of Labour MP

The daughter of a key Jeremy Corbyn ally runs a refugee charity supported by the BBC’s Comic Relief.

Oxford-educated Bethany Gardiner-Smith is CEO of Safe Passage, which helps reunite children from refugee camps with their families in Britain and elsewhere in Europe.

But The Mail on Sunday can reveal that the 31-year-old’s father is Barry Gardiner, Shadow Secretary of State for International Trade and a staunch cheerleader for Mr Corbyn.

Last night, critics accused the BBC of straying into political territory by supporting the charity and warned that the public would stop donating if Comic Relief became politicised.


From The National:

TWO top SNP figures have accused the BBC of deliberately demoting the status of the third party at Westminster.

A joint letter sent to the BBC by SNP depute leader Keith Brown and Westminster leader Ian Blackford raises “two formal complaints” against the broadcaster.

First, the SNP say their status as the third biggest party at Westminster is being actively downplayed by BBC editors and managers because they only represent Scotland.

Second, they say the broadcaster is failing to serve all audiences equally by continually under-representing them on flagship shows like Politics Live and Newsnight.

After key Brexit votes were held in the House of Commons this week, the BBC on two occasions broadcast both Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn’s responses, but cut away as the SNP’s Westminster leader began speaking. They also cut away from the Commons just as Blackford was standing up to give his opening remarks in the original debate over May’s deal on Tuesday.

The SNP are the third largest party at Westminster and the party of government in Scotland.

The letter from Brown and Blackford argues that the BBC’s news and current affairs programming is falling below the standards of its editorial guidelines.

The pair also say the BBC is “in breach of its mission and responsibility” to serve licence fee payers across every UK country, erasing the SNP from its coverage by “consistent and deliberate editorial decisions”.

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by Moggy » Sat Mar 16, 2019 10:43 pm

During the six-hour broadcast on Friday night, celebrities painted a bleak picture of hunger, deprivation and homelessness in the UK, which MPs say amounted to a political attack on Theresa May’s Government.


So they told the truth?

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by Drumstick » Sun Mar 17, 2019 9:53 am

What a surprise that the bastion of fairness, Iain Duncan Smith, took umbrage at this. What a Grade A banana split that mean really is.

The poverty stuff is factual and as long as it was highlighting poverty in the UK without actually saying "hurr durr it's the fault of those Tories", they don't have a case.

But then again the Tories are always seeking to discredit and tear down the BBC so what's new.

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by KK » Sun Mar 17, 2019 10:04 am

There seems to have been a lot of negativity around Comic Relief this year, and not just because it wasn’t very funny.

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by Lex-Man » Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:51 pm

KK wrote:There seems to have been a lot of negativity around Comic Relief this year, and not just because it wasn’t very funny.


Is it ever that funny.

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by Meep » Sun Mar 17, 2019 9:12 pm

Maybe they could try doing something about the poverty. Then they wouldn't have to complain about it being reported. It would also shut up the UN too.

Joking. Better just pretend it is not happening rather than question your ideology.

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by KK » Sun Mar 17, 2019 9:28 pm

Lex-Man wrote:
KK wrote:There seems to have been a lot of negativity around Comic Relief this year, and not just because it wasn’t very funny.


Is it ever that funny.

I remember it being quite funny in the 90s when I watched it, but like the Comedy Awards it gradually lost its edge and now it’s all a bit safe. But then Alan Partridge received complaints so maybe not safe enough...

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by KK » Mon Mar 18, 2019 11:35 am

Sky News running an exclusive interview with intellectual guru Steve Bannon today, in which he backs Boris For PM:

Donald Trump's former chief strategist has told Sky News that Theresa May is "not terribly sophisticated" and failed to listen the US president on Brexit.

Steve Bannon said: "She came over - Trump sat there and said 'Listen - number one - overshoot the target on your deal because it will come apart.

"'Number two get on with it - you ought to be on terms agreed within six months, and number three use every arrow in your quiver even if you have to do litigation later'.

"She laughed it off - to be brutally frank about it she's not terribly sophisticated. I don't think she understood the complexities she was going into."

Mr Bannon, who since leaving the White House has become a sort of intellectual guru for nationalist uprisings in Europe, also says Nigel Farage has more influence on Mr Trump than the British prime minister.

He went on to heap praise on former foreign secretary Boris Johnson, but for an unexpected reason.

He said: "I think Boris Johnson would make a good prime minister. I think Boris Johnson is a guy with big ideas. I think he's the new recreated Boris Johnson who's lost 30 pounds - he's got a new haircut, he's a role model - the way he's lost so much weight... very inspiring."

The former campaign manager spoke to Sky News at an immigration event in Michigan where he said Donald Trump must build the Mexican border wall or "die trying".

He said: "Trump called for something pretty extraordinary - to call for an emergency order to basically say I'm going to take other resources from the department of defence and other places."

Mr Bannon insists there is a massive crisis on the border despite figures from the Department of Homeland Security which show a downward trend of illegal border crossings in the last 20 years with record low numbers recorded in 2017.

"The facts are we have failed a narco state - half of Mexico is run by the cartels. We now have a bigger crisis on the border than we've ever had with drugs, with criminality problem, with the migrant problem with the refugee problem."

Some people who follow and admire Steve Bannon are white supremacists and racists with dangerous ideas - does that worry him?

"First off, I've done probably more than anybody to say the ethno-nationalism - the screwballs whether they're neo-confederates, neo-Nazis - all these guys are clowns. They have no purpose in politics," Mr Bannon said.

"Just like Jeremy Corbyn he has all sorts of crazy guys on the left - he can't help that. It's the mainstream media that puts a camera in front of these people and gives them a platform."

https://news.sky.com/story/steve-bannon ... g-11668563

I'm sure many will say that final line is extremely ironic.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 5
by Hexx » Mon Mar 18, 2019 1:44 pm

Live from New York...it's Fiona Onasanya :S

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 28141.html

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by Albear » Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:16 pm

Exactly what the fanatics on both sides want.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 5
by Meep » Thu Mar 21, 2019 11:48 pm

My 16 yo cousin on QT tonight. 8-) She did a lot better than I would have done.

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by Garth » Fri Mar 22, 2019 1:17 am

Meep wrote:My 16 yo cousin on QT tonight. 8-) She did a lot better than I would have done.

Was this her? What she said went down pretty well on Twitter by the looks of things, I thought she did great:


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