Politics Thread 6

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Who will you vote for at the next General Election?

Conservative
10
11%
Labour
27
31%
Liberal Democrat
24
28%
Green
18
21%
SNP
6
7%
Brexit Party
0
No votes
UKIP
0
No votes
Plaid Cymru
0
No votes
DUP
0
No votes
Sinn Fein
2
2%
The Independent Group for Change
0
No votes
 
Total votes: 87
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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Moggy » Tue Oct 29, 2019 10:45 am

Jenuall wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Jenuall wrote:
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Jenuall wrote:Still think it's bullshit that you can just put forward a bill for an election that needs a simple majority when the fixed term parliament act requires two thirds, what's the strawberry floating point in having it if you can just undercut it like that?


One of the main principals in the UK system is that Parliament cannot bind a future Parliament. That means that Cameron/Clegg’s FTPA is only relevant until Parliament decides to overturn it.

If Parliament decides to pass an election bill, then the FTPA is irrelevant.

Absolutely and evolution of laws, legislation and policies are all good things I'm not denying that. We need ways to make improvements beyond what came before when we have learned new things and realised that what was the best wisdom of the past no longer holds today. That's all good stuff.

But this doesn't feel like that sort of scenario, it's more a case of "I didn't get my way so I'm going to change the goalposts and force the outcome I want". Suggest a new bill to improve the rules around parliamentary terms, the manner in which an election is called etc. but do it based on solid reasoning and advice, not like this!


Oh I agree that it is just Johnson throwing his toys out of the pram.

But I also think it is important that Parliament can change things without needing supermajorities in the House.

So the idea of Parliament not being bound is good. The idea of Boris Johnson as PM is bad.

Agreed.

Especially the bit about Boris as PM being bad. :dread:


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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Cuttooth » Tue Oct 29, 2019 10:52 am

Labour backing December election.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Tomous » Tue Oct 29, 2019 11:05 am

Turns out Grenfell Tower was the Fire Brigade's fault!

This is utterly disgusting shifting of the blame.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Tafdolphin » Tue Oct 29, 2019 11:17 am

Cuttooth wrote:Labour backing December election.


I have no idea if this is good or bad or neither.

I mean, a GE is inevitable at this point and I didn't understand Labour's objections. But then someone said the Tories wanted a December election as universities won't be in session meaning the student vote will be compromised somehow?

Also, I'm coming home mid-December. I'm registered to vote by post as I live in France but if I'm not there to pick up my voting ballot this may lead to a situation where I'm in the UK but unable to vote as my ballot will be in France. Which is strawberry floating annoying. I'll be making a bunch of phonecalls to Manchester Council in the upcoming days methinks.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Rocsteady » Tue Oct 29, 2019 11:18 am

I'm beginning to get a strong feeling that we're strawberry floated

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by BID0 » Tue Oct 29, 2019 11:31 am

Rocsteady wrote:I'm beginning to get a strong feeling that we're strawberry floated

I think a Labour coalition will be the result. So assuming you want a referendum then you're good.

Tafdolphin wrote:
Cuttooth wrote:Labour backing December election.


I have no idea if this is good or bad or neither.

I mean, a GE is inevitable at this point and I didn't understand Labour's objections. But then someone said the Tories wanted a December election as universities won't be in session meaning the student vote will be compromised somehow?

Also, I'm coming home mid-December. I'm registered to vote by post as I live in France but if I'm not there to pick up my voting ballot this may lead to a situation where I'm in the UK but unable to vote as my ballot will be in France. Which is strawberry floating annoying. I'll be making a bunch of phonecalls to Manchester Council in the upcoming days methinks.

I think the student thing could go either way. They would be in a similar position to you having to potentially rely on postal votes but not knowing if they'll be home or at uni and then having their ballot in the wrong place. Also it's not festival season which helped with the numbers voting last time. Momentum will hopefully nullify both points though and they are still running their website for tactical uni voting I think

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Hexx » Tue Oct 29, 2019 11:32 am

Cuttooth wrote:Labour backing December election.


What’s changed since yesterday that meets their preconditions?

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by BID0 » Tue Oct 29, 2019 11:42 am

Hexx wrote:
Cuttooth wrote:Labour backing December election.


What’s changed since yesterday that meets their preconditions?

The shadow cabinet looking over it for 24 hours after the EU confirmed the article 50 extension. Probably running the numbers on things like uni students which taf point out above.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by TV Dinner » Tue Oct 29, 2019 11:48 am

Hexx wrote:
Cuttooth wrote:Labour backing December election.


What’s changed since yesterday that meets their preconditions?

SNP and Lib Dems outflanking them.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Return_of_the_STAR » Tue Oct 29, 2019 11:54 am

Corbyn is saying that ‘his condition of taking a no deal Brexit off the table has now been met’. What’s happened to confirm that?

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Moggy » Tue Oct 29, 2019 11:58 am

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:Corbyn is saying that ‘his condition of taking a no deal Brexit off the table has now been met’. What’s happened to confirm that?


The extension to 31 Jan has been approved. It’s hard to see how No Deal could happen before then.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Return_of_the_STAR » Tue Oct 29, 2019 12:00 pm

Moggy wrote:
Return_of_the_STAR wrote:Corbyn is saying that ‘his condition of taking a no deal Brexit off the table has now been met’. What’s happened to confirm that?


The extension to 31 Jan has been approved. It’s hard to see how No Deal could happen before then.


Ah okay, I didn’t realise that’s what he meant.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Met » Tue Oct 29, 2019 12:21 pm

But that happened before the vote and they were saying it wasn't enough.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by BID0 » Tue Oct 29, 2019 12:40 pm

Met wrote:But that happened before the vote and they were saying it wasn't enough.

It was yesterday morning

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Met » Tue Oct 29, 2019 12:46 pm

And the vote was last night. They saw it was extended to the end of January unless we vote to leave early. My understanding was they didn't trust BoJo to not push his deal through, and all we got since was no. 10 saying "Don't worry".

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by TV Dinner » Tue Oct 29, 2019 12:48 pm

Barry Sheerman strongly against election and kicking off on Twitter.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by BID0 » Tue Oct 29, 2019 12:55 pm

Met wrote:And the vote was last night. They saw it was extended to the end of January unless we vote to leave early. My understanding was they didn't trust BoJo to not push his deal through, and all we got since was no. 10 saying "Don't worry".

The shadow cabinet was still in talks about it during yesterday...
TV Dinner wrote:Barry Sheerman strongly against election and kicking off on Twitter.


Looks like there wasn't a consensus

Is the date definitely the 12th December? Some wanted the 11th, I guess that's what is part of the Lib Dem/SNP one Labour are backing today?

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Lex-Man » Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:43 pm

Moggy wrote:
Return_of_the_STAR wrote:Corbyn is saying that ‘his condition of taking a no deal Brexit off the table has now been met’. What’s happened to confirm that?


The extension to 31 Jan has been approved. It’s hard to see how No Deal could happen before then.


I guess Boris could still move the election date to early February and screw everything but it seems unlikely.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Garth » Tue Oct 29, 2019 6:24 pm


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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Mommy » Tue Oct 29, 2019 6:36 pm

Corbyn now coming out and saying he 'cant wait' for an election.

Now he realises he cant stop it. What a turkey.

OK Boomer :simper:

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