Politics Thread 6

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Who will you vote for at the next General Election?

Conservative
10
11%
Labour
27
31%
Liberal Democrat
24
28%
Green
18
21%
SNP
6
7%
Brexit Party
0
No votes
UKIP
0
No votes
Plaid Cymru
0
No votes
DUP
0
No votes
Sinn Fein
2
2%
The Independent Group for Change
0
No votes
 
Total votes: 87
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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Partridge Iciclebubbles » Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:28 pm

Mommy wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Mommy wrote:https://assets-global.website-files.com/5da42e2cae7ebd3f8bde353c/5dda924905da587992a064ba_Conservative%202019%20Manifesto.pdf

The Conservative Party manifesto.


A much more measured set of proposals that the Labour one.


Measured? Brexit plus additional spending with no tax rises? How can you query how Labour will pay for their promises but describe the Tories as measured?


The Conservatives will spend less than a fifth of what Labour would. Id much rather that than Labour's huge spending plan.


You’d rather we didn’t have the required investment in public services that have been gutted by austerity?

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Mr. Mystery Garth » Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:35 pm


Dear Ms White,

I am writing to you as a reluctant whistle-blower to ask for a thorough investigation into BBC News and Current Affairs in regard to, firstly, a number of films relating to the far-right, Russia and Brexit that were not broadcast, secondly, films that were broadcast but were improperly compromised and, thirdly, a number of senior journalists who have been allowed to compromise BBC editorial values by taking financial inducements or benefits in kind.

At the outset I should say that I have been informed, entertained and educated by the BBC my whole life. I worked for the BBC for 17 years and left last month and I feel grateful to many of my extraordinary colleagues who do great work for the public good. I pay the license fee and passionately believe in the BBC’s mission.

It is exactly because of that belief that I feel compelled to share what I know from the inside of BBC News and Current Affairs. BBC management, led by Director-General Tony Hall, has become so risk-averse in the face of threats from the far-right and the Russian state and its proxies that due impartiality is being undermined and investigative journalism is being endangered. Films have been not broadcast or enfeebled. Senior journalists have taken money or benefits in kind from Big Tobacco, a dodgy passport-selling company, and proxies for the Russian state.

My concerns centre on the following programmes or films:
* Our Panorama on far-right activist Tommy Robinson which should have been broadcast in February or March this year. It had fresh information on Robinson’s links with German far right sources and there was potential to explore how Robinson was being indirectly funded by Kremlin money. Robinson set out to intimidate the BBC. Not broadcast.
* Our Newsnight investigation into Lord Mandelson which caused him to change his House of Lords’ register recording money he got from a Russian company connected to the mafiya. After a direction intervention by Mandelson’s friend, then BBC Head of News, James Harding, the investigation stopped. Not broadcast.
* Our Newsnight investigation into the dubious connections between former Culture Secretary John Whittingdale MP and Dmitri Firtash, the pro-Kremlin oligarch currently fighting extradition to the United States. Not broadcast.
* Our Newsnight investigation into Henley & Partners, a dodgy passport-selling firm which sought to silence Daphne Caruana Galizia before she was assassinated. Outside a H & P event in London I was physically assaulted by security for the Maltese PM. Inside a BBC presenter was doing a paid corporate gig for H&P. Not broadcast.
* A Newsnight investigation into the pro-Russian sympathies of Labour spin doctor, Seumas Milne. Not commissioned. Not broadcast.
* A Panorama on Roman Abramovich: made and completed. I did not work on this but know of it. Not broadcast.
* A BBC News investigation into Brexit funder Arron Banks. I did not work on this but know of it. Not broadcast.

Please note that roughly in the same time frame BBC News – not Current Affairs - did broadcast investigations into Cliff Richards and Lord Bramall and Lord Brittan on the basis of a fantasist. Both investigations should never have been broadcast.

The BBC did broadcast films I made that were weakened by management. They include:
* A series of Newsnight films into Arron Banks, the man who helped fund Brexit and Nigel Farage. Some were broadcast but the strength of the journalism was enfeebled by management. One, exploring Nigel Farage’s worries about Mr Banks’ connections to Russia, was not broadcast. A second, on Katya Banks and how she came to the United Kingdom, was not broadcast.
* A Panorama on Russia called Taking On Putin. This was broadcast last year. In the course of making it the acting head of the BBC Moscow bureau told our Panorama team to leave the bureau though we had sensitive rushes on us and were being pursued by Moscow police. He then informed the Foreign Ministry that I had been filming without a press pass. Not giving me a press pass is a routine piece of administrative harassment by the Russian state. Our fixer was forced to leave Russia for good. It felt like our BBC Moscow colleagues saw the Kremlin as their friend and us as the enemy.

On all the films above I worked on, I sought to complain to BBC management about failures to broadcast or weakening of editorial stance. Most did not seriously engage with my complaints. One senior manager did not reply to four emails I sent asking for a meeting so we never spoke.

To be fair, BBC management have an extraordinary difficult task. Brexit has split the country and maintaining fairness and due impartiality under ferocious pressure, accelerated by social media, is exhausting. The problem is this exhaustion has led to corporate risk aversion and this is destroying investigative journalism at the BBC.

Separately, I fear that BBC values have been undermined by the following senior editors and presenters. Jon Sopel, BBC North America, doing a paid corporate gig for US tobacco giant Philip Morris this year. Justin Webb, Today programme presenter, doing a paid corporate gig for Henley & Partners on two separate occasions.

Sarah Sands, editor of the Today programme and Amol Rajan, BBC Media Editor, receiving benefits in kind from their former employer, Russian oligarch Evgeny Lebedev. They attended parties thrown by Lebedev in his Italian palazzo. A third guest was Boris Johnson, now prime minister. It seems impossible for any reporter on the Today programme to fully investigate widely reported stories that as Foreign Secretary Mr Johnson was seen as a “security risk” because of his attendance at Mr Lebedev’s parties if their editor was also a beneficiary of Mr Lebedev’s generosity. Amol Rajan as BBC Media Editor has reported on Mr Lebedev’s business affairs and he too has been a beneficiary of the oligarch’s generosity.

None of this non-BBC work or benefits are for the public good.

It is a characteristic of someone in my position to overstate the significance of their complaints. I do not want to do this. The vast majority of the BBC’s output is excellent and to be trusted.

But the sorry history of investigations not broadcast I report above demonstrates a general pattern of risk aversion and fearfulness. This is a common complaint of BBC journalists. My particular concern is the ability of the Russian state and its proxies to cramp the BBC’s journalism when it investigates what the Kremlin & Co are up to. You cannot make a series of Panoramas on Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump without seeing the evidence of the Russian state and its proxies interfering with democratic politics around the world. That interference includes the United Kingdom. I note that Number Ten has indicated that blocked the publication of the Commons select committee on Russian interference today.

Beyond these points there is a wider issue of the effective non-regulation of social media. The experience of being attacked by Tommy Robinson’s supporters – they behave like a cult – whilst the BBC did not broadcast our Panorama on him was maddening for me, literally so. A freelance colleague made a radio programme about one of his supporters. The stress of being a victim of the far-right online hate machine caused my colleague, who was heavily pregnant at the time, to have a panic attack so intense she mistakenly feared it was a miscarriage. Happily, mother and baby are fine. My observation as a front-line investigative journalist is that public interest broadcasting is over-regulated and social media hardly at all. Social media must be brought within the rule of law or our democracy will be poisoned.

I have evidence to back up every point I make in this letter and practical suggestions to reform and develop the OfCom code if you decide to take the matters raised here further. Please let me know what your response is. I am separately writing to the chair of the House of Commons select committees on the media and copying in the chairs of the intelligence and foreign affairs committees.

Yours sincerely,
John Sweeney

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Mommy Christmas » Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:55 pm

Moggy wrote:
Mommy wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Mommy wrote:https://assets-global.website-files.com/5da42e2cae7ebd3f8bde353c/5dda924905da587992a064ba_Conservative%202019%20Manifesto.pdf

The Conservative Party manifesto.


A much more measured set of proposals that the Labour one.


Measured? Brexit plus additional spending with no tax rises? How can you query how Labour will pay for their promises but describe the Tories as measured?


The Conservatives will spend less than a fifth of what Labour would. Id much rather that than Labour's huge spending plan.


You’d rather we didn’t have the required investment in public services that have been gutted by austerity?


Id rather there was investment, but we have to be cautious because of brexit.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Partridge Iciclebubbles » Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:59 pm

Mommy wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Mommy wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Mommy wrote:https://assets-global.website-files.com/5da42e2cae7ebd3f8bde353c/5dda924905da587992a064ba_Conservative%202019%20Manifesto.pdf

The Conservative Party manifesto.


A much more measured set of proposals that the Labour one.


Measured? Brexit plus additional spending with no tax rises? How can you query how Labour will pay for their promises but describe the Tories as measured?


The Conservatives will spend less than a fifth of what Labour would. Id much rather that than Labour's huge spending plan.


You’d rather we didn’t have the required investment in public services that have been gutted by austerity?


Id rather there was investment, but we have to be cautious because of brexit.


“We need to keep making things worse and allowing people to die because of a silly decision to impose economic sanctions on ourselves”

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Mommy Christmas » Sun Nov 24, 2019 7:10 pm

Moggy wrote:
Mommy wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Mommy wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Mommy wrote:https://assets-global.website-files.com/5da42e2cae7ebd3f8bde353c/5dda924905da587992a064ba_Conservative%202019%20Manifesto.pdf

The Conservative Party manifesto.


A much more measured set of proposals that the Labour one.


Measured? Brexit plus additional spending with no tax rises? How can you query how Labour will pay for their promises but describe the Tories as measured?


The Conservatives will spend less than a fifth of what Labour would. Id much rather that than Labour's huge spending plan.


You’d rather we didn’t have the required investment in public services that have been gutted by austerity?


Id rather there was investment, but we have to be cautious because of brexit.


“We need to keep making things worse and allowing people to die because of a silly decision to impose economic sanctions on ourselves”



Who is that quote from?

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Partridge Iciclebubbles » Sun Nov 24, 2019 7:10 pm

Mommy wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Mommy wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Mommy wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Mommy wrote:https://assets-global.website-files.com/5da42e2cae7ebd3f8bde353c/5dda924905da587992a064ba_Conservative%202019%20Manifesto.pdf

The Conservative Party manifesto.


A much more measured set of proposals that the Labour one.


Measured? Brexit plus additional spending with no tax rises? How can you query how Labour will pay for their promises but describe the Tories as measured?


The Conservatives will spend less than a fifth of what Labour would. Id much rather that than Labour's huge spending plan.


You’d rather we didn’t have the required investment in public services that have been gutted by austerity?


Id rather there was investment, but we have to be cautious because of brexit.


“We need to keep making things worse and allowing people to die because of a silly decision to impose economic sanctions on ourselves”



Who is that quote from?


My head.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Mommy Christmas » Sun Nov 24, 2019 9:27 pm

Moggy wrote:
Mommy wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Mommy wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Mommy wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Mommy wrote:https://assets-global.website-files.com/5da42e2cae7ebd3f8bde353c/5dda924905da587992a064ba_Conservative%202019%20Manifesto.pdf

The Conservative Party manifesto.


A much more measured set of proposals that the Labour one.


Measured? Brexit plus additional spending with no tax rises? How can you query how Labour will pay for their promises but describe the Tories as measured?


The Conservatives will spend less than a fifth of what Labour would. Id much rather that than Labour's huge spending plan.


You’d rather we didn’t have the required investment in public services that have been gutted by austerity?


Id rather there was investment, but we have to be cautious because of brexit.


“We need to keep making things worse and allowing people to die because of a silly decision to impose economic sanctions on ourselves”



Who is that quote from?


My head.


Do you remember why the Conservative government imposed the economic sanctions on ourselves? Do you remember Liam Byrne's letter to the treasury?
Its all as a result of the last time that Labour were let loose with the country's finances.
Are you not worried that the same thing will happen with Magic Grandpa promising to spend a fortune?

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Lagamorph » Sun Nov 24, 2019 9:31 pm

Mommy wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Mommy wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Mommy wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Mommy wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Mommy wrote:https://assets-global.website-files.com/5da42e2cae7ebd3f8bde353c/5dda924905da587992a064ba_Conservative%202019%20Manifesto.pdf

The Conservative Party manifesto.


A much more measured set of proposals that the Labour one.


Measured? Brexit plus additional spending with no tax rises? How can you query how Labour will pay for their promises but describe the Tories as measured?


The Conservatives will spend less than a fifth of what Labour would. Id much rather that than Labour's huge spending plan.


You’d rather we didn’t have the required investment in public services that have been gutted by austerity?


Id rather there was investment, but we have to be cautious because of brexit.


“We need to keep making things worse and allowing people to die because of a silly decision to impose economic sanctions on ourselves”



Who is that quote from?


My head.


Do you remember why the Conservative government imposed the economic sanctions on ourselves? Do you remember Liam Byrne's letter to the treasury?
Its all as a result of the last time that Labour were let loose with the country's finances.
Are you not worried that the same thing will happen with Magic Grandpa promising to spend a fortune?

Do you remember when the Tories magicked up a BILLION POUNDS out of nowhere just to literally bribe another political party for support?

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Samuel_1 » Sun Nov 24, 2019 9:33 pm

Mommy wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Mommy wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Mommy wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Mommy wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Mommy wrote:https://assets-global.website-files.com/5da42e2cae7ebd3f8bde353c/5dda924905da587992a064ba_Conservative%202019%20Manifesto.pdf

The Conservative Party manifesto.


A much more measured set of proposals that the Labour one.


Measured? Brexit plus additional spending with no tax rises? How can you query how Labour will pay for their promises but describe the Tories as measured?


The Conservatives will spend less than a fifth of what Labour would. Id much rather that than Labour's huge spending plan.


You’d rather we didn’t have the required investment in public services that have been gutted by austerity?


Id rather there was investment, but we have to be cautious because of brexit.


“We need to keep making things worse and allowing people to die because of a silly decision to impose economic sanctions on ourselves”



Who is that quote from?


My head.


Do you remember why the Conservative government imposed the economic sanctions on ourselves? Do you remember Liam Byrne's letter to the treasury?
Its all as a result of the last time that Labour were let loose with the country's finances.
Are you not worried that the same thing will happen with Magic Grandpa promising to spend a fortune?

I think Mommy has just won right wing idiot bingo! There was a global, yes global, financial meltdown. Labour were not responsible for this and could have done little to stop it. It had nothing to do with "over spending" or anything of the sort.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Jenu-All I Want For Christmas » Sun Nov 24, 2019 9:36 pm

Samuel_1 wrote:
Mommy wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Mommy wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Mommy wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Mommy wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Mommy wrote:https://assets-global.website-files.com/5da42e2cae7ebd3f8bde353c/5dda924905da587992a064ba_Conservative%202019%20Manifesto.pdf

The Conservative Party manifesto.


A much more measured set of proposals that the Labour one.


Measured? Brexit plus additional spending with no tax rises? How can you query how Labour will pay for their promises but describe the Tories as measured?


The Conservatives will spend less than a fifth of what Labour would. Id much rather that than Labour's huge spending plan.


You’d rather we didn’t have the required investment in public services that have been gutted by austerity?


Id rather there was investment, but we have to be cautious because of brexit.


“We need to keep making things worse and allowing people to die because of a silly decision to impose economic sanctions on ourselves”



Who is that quote from?


My head.


Do you remember why the Conservative government imposed the economic sanctions on ourselves? Do you remember Liam Byrne's letter to the treasury?
Its all as a result of the last time that Labour were let loose with the country's finances.
Are you not worried that the same thing will happen with Magic Grandpa promising to spend a fortune?

I think Mommy has just won right wing idiot bingo! There was a global, yes global, financial meltdown. Labour were not responsible for this and could have done little to stop it. It had nothing to do with "over spending" or anything of the sort.

Add to that the fact that even the United strawberry floating Nations have condemned the Tories for austerity and shown that it was neither necessary or effective in helping respond to the financial crisis.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Partridge Iciclebubbles » Sun Nov 24, 2019 9:39 pm

Mommy wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Mommy wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Mommy wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Mommy wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Mommy wrote:https://assets-global.website-files.com/5da42e2cae7ebd3f8bde353c/5dda924905da587992a064ba_Conservative%202019%20Manifesto.pdf

The Conservative Party manifesto.


A much more measured set of proposals that the Labour one.


Measured? Brexit plus additional spending with no tax rises? How can you query how Labour will pay for their promises but describe the Tories as measured?


The Conservatives will spend less than a fifth of what Labour would. Id much rather that than Labour's huge spending plan.


You’d rather we didn’t have the required investment in public services that have been gutted by austerity?


Id rather there was investment, but we have to be cautious because of brexit.


“We need to keep making things worse and allowing people to die because of a silly decision to impose economic sanctions on ourselves”



Who is that quote from?


My head.


1. Do you remember why the Conservative government imposed the economic sanctions on ourselves? 2. Do you remember Liam Byrne's letter to the treasury?
3. Its all as a result of the last time that Labour were let loose with the country's finances.
4.Are you not worried that the same thing will happen with Magic Grandpa promising to spend a fortune?


1. No, there was no real need to do it. Stop falling for Tory bullshit. And the financial sanctions I was referring to was Brexit, not austerity. Although austerity has been really strawberry floating bad and unnecessary.

2. That strawberry floating letter. Which was just a note. :fp: It was a joke, or do you really believe the country had zero money?

3. Not true. It was a worldwide financial meltdown that began in the US when an ultra right wing government was in charge. The banks did it, not the British government. Stop believing Tory bullshit.

4. Of course Corbyn might strawberry float things up. But that’s a “might”. The Tories have been strawberry floating things up for 9 years now - do you think they’ll improve things with Boris Johnson as leader? While dragging us out of a free trade agreement with 27 of our biggest customers?

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Rex Kramer » Sun Nov 24, 2019 9:44 pm

That strawberry floating letter gave Cameron et al carte blanche to strawberry float over the public service sector under the guise of austerity. They'd been chomping at the bit for years to scale it back and this gave them the excuse to do it.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by *<]:^D » Sun Nov 24, 2019 9:49 pm

Mommy, just stop, you're embarrassing yourself here mate

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Samuel_1 » Sun Nov 24, 2019 9:52 pm

Has he done the terrorist sympathiser bit yet?

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by PsychicSykes » Sun Nov 24, 2019 10:06 pm


Hmm.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Green Gecko » Sun Nov 24, 2019 11:30 pm

I am locking this thread with respect to the current election thread taking precedence, creating duplicate content, and Mommy using it to sideswipe while blaming moderators for not being willing to himself engage with other users, making his posting priveleges literally pointless.

It will re open after the election results are published.

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