Politics Thread 6

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Who will you vote for at the next General Election?

Conservative
10
10%
Labour
38
37%
Liberal Democrat
25
25%
Green
18
18%
SNP
6
6%
Brexit Party
1
1%
UKIP
1
1%
Plaid Cymru
1
1%
DUP
0
No votes
Sinn Fein
2
2%
The Independent Group for Change
0
No votes
 
Total votes: 102
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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Moggy » Thu May 14, 2020 4:55 pm

Drumstick wrote:
Corazon de Leon wrote:You’re either Scottish or based in Scotland, aren’t you?

Even worse: Bristol.


Typical Palace fan. :roll:

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by Cheeky Devlin » Thu May 14, 2020 5:49 pm

Corazon de Leon wrote:
Lex-Man wrote:https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/shahmir-sanni-claims-brexiteers-hate-welsh-and-scots-in-the-national-podcast-1-6652698?fbclid=IwAR0D2cw9Ybj2WO3lgHmdxcTYG213mmf5_utwtUfSXLPEzf0MZuoeXM9QiBc

Speaking on The National’s Not Another Fake News Cast podcast, Shahmir Sanni said Westminster held a deep dislike for Wales and Scotland and urged its citizens to seek independence “as soon as you can”.

“I’m totally pro-independence. I am totally pro-independence. They (the government) hate the Scottish,” he was recorded saying.

“This is what a lot of people don’t understand - they genuinely, genuinely do not like Scotland. The whole idea of Scotland they don’t like, and this is something I never understood because I grew up in Pakistan.


To be honest I think the New European is a bit too biased for my liking but an interesting claim non the less.


The National isn’t exactly an unbiased bastion of reporting values either - I’d take that with a massive pinch of salt.

With that said, I don’t doubt that there is barely disguised contempt in some parts of parliament for the other countries in the UK.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by captain red dog » Thu May 14, 2020 6:05 pm

Corazon de Leon wrote:I didn't see the location in the profile. I don't know why I've always been under the impression CRD was up here somewhere.

During the Indy Ref, I didn't want Scotland to go. But if I had that choice now I'd vote to leave the UK in a heartbeat. The only justification that made sense to me that was in times of national crisis we would be stronger together (wasn't that the no slogan or something?). However this crisis has shown that the UK parliament has little care or interest in listening to the devolved parliaments. There is no discussion and no negotiation, no democracy. Just look how the SNP leader is treated in our Parliament.

So yeah, Scotland should take any future chance they get. If the South West alone had a referendum I'd vote to leave Westminster.

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by Moggy » Thu May 14, 2020 6:10 pm

captain red dog wrote:
Corazon de Leon wrote:I didn't see the location in the profile. I don't know why I've always been under the impression CRD was up here somewhere.

During the Indy Ref, I didn't want Scotland to go. But if I had that choice now I'd vote to leave the UK in a heartbeat. The only justification that made sense to me that was in times of national crisis we would be stronger together (wasn't that the no slogan or something?). However this crisis has shown that the UK parliament has little care or interest in listening to the devolved parliaments. There is no discussion and no negotiation, no democracy. Just look how the SNP leader is treated in our Parliament.

So yeah, Scotland should take any future chance they get. If the South West alone had a referendum I'd vote to leave Westminster.


Restore Wessex?

:datass:

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by Hypes » Sat May 16, 2020 11:59 am

Moggy wrote:
captain red dog wrote:
Corazon de Leon wrote:I didn't see the location in the profile. I don't know why I've always been under the impression CRD was up here somewhere.

During the Indy Ref, I didn't want Scotland to go. But if I had that choice now I'd vote to leave the UK in a heartbeat. The only justification that made sense to me that was in times of national crisis we would be stronger together (wasn't that the no slogan or something?). However this crisis has shown that the UK parliament has little care or interest in listening to the devolved parliaments. There is no discussion and no negotiation, no democracy. Just look how the SNP leader is treated in our Parliament.

So yeah, Scotland should take any future chance they get. If the South West alone had a referendum I'd vote to leave Westminster.


Restore Wessex?

:datass:


Wessex is massively Tory :dread:

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by Dowbocop » Sat May 16, 2020 12:26 pm

Hypes wrote:
Moggy wrote:
captain red dog wrote:
Corazon de Leon wrote:I didn't see the location in the profile. I don't know why I've always been under the impression CRD was up here somewhere.

During the Indy Ref, I didn't want Scotland to go. But if I had that choice now I'd vote to leave the UK in a heartbeat. The only justification that made sense to me that was in times of national crisis we would be stronger together (wasn't that the no slogan or something?). However this crisis has shown that the UK parliament has little care or interest in listening to the devolved parliaments. There is no discussion and no negotiation, no democracy. Just look how the SNP leader is treated in our Parliament.

So yeah, Scotland should take any future chance they get. If the South West alone had a referendum I'd vote to leave Westminster.


Restore Wessex?

:datass:


Wessex is massively Tory :dread:

Bye, enjoy PM Rees-Mogg!

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Moggy » Sat May 16, 2020 12:26 pm

Hypes wrote:
Moggy wrote:
captain red dog wrote:
Corazon de Leon wrote:I didn't see the location in the profile. I don't know why I've always been under the impression CRD was up here somewhere.

During the Indy Ref, I didn't want Scotland to go. But if I had that choice now I'd vote to leave the UK in a heartbeat. The only justification that made sense to me that was in times of national crisis we would be stronger together (wasn't that the no slogan or something?). However this crisis has shown that the UK parliament has little care or interest in listening to the devolved parliaments. There is no discussion and no negotiation, no democracy. Just look how the SNP leader is treated in our Parliament.

So yeah, Scotland should take any future chance they get. If the South West alone had a referendum I'd vote to leave Westminster.


Restore Wessex?

:datass:


Wessex is massively Tory :dread:


So's England.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Moggy » Sun May 17, 2020 6:34 am

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What a bastard! In 1996 he bought a field next to his parents house? And now it's worth a lot of money?

Scum, subhuman scum. :x

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by Drumstick » Sun May 17, 2020 8:02 am

Who said he was a man of the people? Or is this the right-wing media trying to force a narrative?

Hmm, I wonder.

If wealth is the default factor in determining whether someone is "of the people" then there isn't a single MP that can be said to be "of the people"!

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by Moggy » Sun May 17, 2020 8:08 am

Drumstick wrote:Who said he was a man of the people?


Would a man of the people buy a field for their disabled mother to keep donkeys?

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by Oblomov Boblomov » Sun May 17, 2020 8:21 am

Moggy wrote:
Drumstick wrote:Who said he was a man of the people?


Would a man of the people buy a field for their disabled mother to keep donkeys?

Going by the actions of the electorate over the last few years I don't even want a man of the people, because that would make him a stupid, nasty twat.

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by Moggy » Sun May 17, 2020 8:32 am

Oblomov Boblomov wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Drumstick wrote:Who said he was a man of the people?


Would a man of the people buy a field for their disabled mother to keep donkeys?

Going by the actions of the electorate over the last few years I don't even want a man of the people, because that would make him a stupid, nasty twat.


Yeah you're far better of sticking with people like Jo Swinson..... ;)

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by Karl_ » Sun May 17, 2020 8:38 am

Drumstick wrote:Who said he was a man of the people? Or is this the right-wing media trying to force a narrative?

Hmm, I wonder.

If wealth is the default factor in determining whether someone is "of the people" then there isn't a single MP that can be said to be "of the people"!


I'm not defending the article, which is obviously silly, but don't you think you're on to something there?

There aren't very many MPs that were poor when they became MPs, or have any genuine personal connection to poor communities. You'd agree that's a problem democratically, right?

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by Drumstick » Sun May 17, 2020 8:44 am

Karl_ wrote:
Drumstick wrote:Who said he was a man of the people? Or is this the right-wing media trying to force a narrative?

Hmm, I wonder.

If wealth is the default factor in determining whether someone is "of the people" then there isn't a single MP that can be said to be "of the people"!

I'm not defending the article, which is obviously silly, but don't you think you're on to something there?

There aren't very many MPs that were poor when they became MPs, or have any genuine personal connection to poor communities. You'd agree that's a problem democratically, right?

Of course I do. It's one of the single biggest problems with government, or the concept of modern government at the very least. Obviously I can't speak for the make up of governments back in the glory days when we ruled the seas etc.

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by Moggy » Sun May 17, 2020 8:50 am

Karl_ wrote:
Drumstick wrote:Who said he was a man of the people? Or is this the right-wing media trying to force a narrative?

Hmm, I wonder.

If wealth is the default factor in determining whether someone is "of the people" then there isn't a single MP that can be said to be "of the people"!


I'm not defending the article, which is obviously silly, but don't you think you're on to something there?

There aren't very many MPs that were poor when they became MPs, or have any genuine personal connection to poor communities. You'd agree that's a problem democratically, right?


Are you trying to say that wealth doesn't make a person better than the proles?

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by Oblomov Boblomov » Sun May 17, 2020 8:59 am

Moggy wrote:
Oblomov Boblomov wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Drumstick wrote:Who said he was a man of the people?


Would a man of the people buy a field for their disabled mother to keep donkeys?

Going by the actions of the electorate over the last few years I don't even want a man of the people, because that would make him a stupid, nasty twat.


Yeah you're far better of sticking with people like Jo Swinson..... ;)

...huh?

I'm describing the voting public en masse, with reference to results over the last few years. Not any one person or politician. I don't understand your response.

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by Moggy » Sun May 17, 2020 9:02 am

Oblomov Boblomov wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Oblomov Boblomov wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Drumstick wrote:Who said he was a man of the people?


Would a man of the people buy a field for their disabled mother to keep donkeys?

Going by the actions of the electorate over the last few years I don't even want a man of the people, because that would make him a stupid, nasty twat.


Yeah you're far better of sticking with people like Jo Swinson..... ;)

...huh?

I'm describing the voting public en masse, with reference to results over the last few years. Not any one person or politician. I don't understand your response.


You said you didn't want a man of the people. I remembered your support of Jo Swinson and made a joke based on that.

I'll stick to Bradford jokes in future.

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by Oblomov Boblomov » Sun May 17, 2020 9:05 am

Moggy wrote:
Oblomov Boblomov wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Oblomov Boblomov wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Drumstick wrote:Who said he was a man of the people?


Would a man of the people buy a field for their disabled mother to keep donkeys?

Going by the actions of the electorate over the last few years I don't even want a man of the people, because that would make him a stupid, nasty twat.


Yeah you're far better of sticking with people like Jo Swinson..... ;)

...huh?

I'm describing the voting public en masse, with reference to results over the last few years. Not any one person or politician. I don't understand your response.


You said you didn't want a man of the people. I remembered your support of Jo Swinson and made a joke based on that.

I'll stick to Bradford jokes in future.

Oh I've no problem with a woman of the people ;).

Not really, I wouldn't want anyone 'of the people' while there is majority support for the death penalty and we vote in huge numbers for right wing parties.

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by Lex-Man » Sun May 17, 2020 10:15 am

Karl_ wrote:
Drumstick wrote:Who said he was a man of the people? Or is this the right-wing media trying to force a narrative?

Hmm, I wonder.

If wealth is the default factor in determining whether someone is "of the people" then there isn't a single MP that can be said to be "of the people"!


I'm not defending the article, which is obviously silly, but don't you think you're on to something there?

There aren't very many MPs that were poor when they became MPs, or have any genuine personal connection to poor communities. You'd agree that's a problem democratically, right?

Your comment reminded me of this.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... sal-credit

There was a moment, as Paul Sweeney filled out his online application for universal credit, when the reality of the box-ticking hit home. “You’re thinking, Christ, when I was an MP I used to spend my days advocating for people who were caught up in all these benefits problems, and now here I am. It was bizarre.”

At the start of the year, it is fair to say that the former Scottish Labour member for Glasgow North East had no expectation of becoming one of the 2 million people who have applied for universal credit benefits since lockdown measures were implemented.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Meep » Sun May 17, 2020 11:26 am

Lex-Man wrote:The NI unionist seem to be incredibly corrupt and only really out for money.

NI used to be incredibly corrupt and still is to some extent. Before the peace process we were effectively a dictatorship and the ruling dynasty before those days displayed all the usually characteristics and corruption you see in tinpot dictatorships and failed states. This are better now but it's still difficult to get on in life (job selection, planning permission, grants) unless you 'know' people.


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