Politics Thread 6

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Who will you vote for at the next General Election?

Conservative
10
9%
Labour
46
40%
Liberal Democrat
26
23%
Green
19
17%
SNP
8
7%
Brexit Party
1
1%
UKIP
1
1%
Plaid Cymru
1
1%
DUP
0
No votes
Sinn Fein
2
2%
The Independent Group for Change
0
No votes
 
Total votes: 114
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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Moggy » Wed Oct 14, 2020 4:07 pm

Lex-Man wrote:
Corazon de Leon wrote:I'd agree if I thought Westminster would give another vote.


There's talk about a vote next year. The Tories have been talking about running a better to together campaign to various people.


After the last few years, I'm sure the Scottish people will believe them. :lol:

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Met » Wed Oct 14, 2020 6:42 pm

"Better together" claims Johnson, as he coughs and splutters, rolling out his hormone fed meat and pesticide infused veg, before locking the door and drawing the blinds on our neighbours.

"Better together".

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Zilnad » Thu Oct 15, 2020 6:31 am

Yeah, the hypocrisy in that slogan makes me vomit.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Moggy » Thu Oct 15, 2020 8:04 am



Great speech.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Squinty » Thu Oct 15, 2020 8:42 am

Never ceases to amaze me how empty the left side is.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Cuttooth » Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:47 am



Shadow Finance Secretary resigning to vote against the Covert Human Intelligence Bill after Labour failed to move beyond abstaining to "amend it at a later reading".

EDIT - Oh he's that guy a couple of posts above. Wish he was my MP!

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Winckle » Thu Oct 15, 2020 12:17 pm

I've campaigned with Dan at the last two elections. He's a good lad. Coincidentally his seat is set to be lost in the boundary review. :simper:

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Lex-Man » Thu Oct 15, 2020 1:05 pm

Isn't Starmer a humans rights lawyer it seems insane that he's only going to abstain over this bill.

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by Cuttooth » Thu Oct 15, 2020 1:21 pm

Lex-Man wrote:Isn't Starmer a humans rights lawyer it seems insane that he's only going to abstain over this bill.

It’ll stem from a combination of wanting to look tough on crime and terrorism (also why the Overseas Operations Bill was abstained) in a fruitless attempt to win over Tory voters, and wanting to further push out dissenting leftist voices from the forefront of the party.

It’s terrible leadership in all and reminiscent of the fence-sitting approach to several issues that marked Corbyn's ultimately fatal premiership.

It shouldn’t be this hard to pin down what a human rights lawyer's principles are!

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by Winckle » Thu Oct 15, 2020 1:23 pm

Lex-Man wrote:Isn't Starmer a humans rights lawyer it seems insane that he's only going to abstain over this bill.

He was the country's top prosecutor, of course he wants legislation to make the state's apparatus stronger.

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by Rocsteady » Thu Oct 15, 2020 1:24 pm

Cuttooth wrote:
Lex-Man wrote:Isn't Starmer a humans rights lawyer it seems insane that he's only going to abstain over this bill.

It’ll stem from a combination of wanting to look tough on crime and terrorism (also why the Overseas Operations Bill was abstained) in a fruitless attempt to win over Tory voters, and wanting to further push out dissenting leftist voices from the forefront of the party.

It’s terrible leadership in all and reminiscent of the fence-sitting approach to several issues that marked Corbyn's ultimately fatal premiership.

It shouldn’t be this hard to pin down what a human rights lawyer's principles are!

I've been a fan of Starmer but I do agree.

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by Lex-Man » Thu Oct 15, 2020 2:06 pm

Cuttooth wrote:
Lex-Man wrote:Isn't Starmer a humans rights lawyer it seems insane that he's only going to abstain over this bill.

It’ll stem from a combination of wanting to look tough on crime and terrorism (also why the Overseas Operations Bill was abstained) in a fruitless attempt to win over Tory voters, and wanting to further push out dissenting leftist voices from the forefront of the party.

It’s terrible leadership in all and reminiscent of the fence-sitting approach to several issues that marked Corbyn's ultimately fatal premiership.

It shouldn’t be this hard to pin down what a human rights lawyer's principles are!


I just don't get the argument that abstaining will help win over Tory voters because it's just fence sitting. Would a Tory voter really be won over by Labour abstaining more than voting against the bill? Surely they'll just feel a bit annoyed Labour didn't get behind "making Britain more secure" or whatever.

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by BID0 » Thu Oct 15, 2020 7:06 pm

How many MPs have Labour lost over this now? It’s hard to find out because it doesn’t get reported on for some reason. I’m sure it was a big news only a few years ago but I must have remembered it wrongly.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Cuttooth » Thu Oct 15, 2020 7:27 pm

BID0 wrote:How many MPs have Labour lost over this now? It’s hard to find out because it doesn’t get reported on for some reason. I’m sure it was a big news only a few years ago but I must have remembered it wrongly.

Well, no-one's quit the party but at least two have quit roles in the Shadow Cabinet.



Such a political masterclass this has been, nice one.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Lex-Man » Thu Oct 15, 2020 7:40 pm

Patel is a literal monster.

Her comments do prove my point, by abstaining it doesn't make it any more difficult to attack Labour for not supporting the bill.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by BID0 » Thu Oct 15, 2020 8:34 pm

5D chess

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Rex Kramer » Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:36 pm

Lex-Man wrote:Patel is a literal monster.

Her comments do prove my point, by abstaining it doesn't make it any more difficult to attack Labour for not supporting the bill.

I know her politics are utterly vile but it's the strawberry floating smug look that permanently adorns her face that is the tipping point for me. She has exactly the same expression as a cat that's just gooseberry fool in your slippers.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Buffalo » Fri Oct 16, 2020 1:59 am

Starmer’s a bit of a joke at this point, Captain Hindsight indeed, and now this.
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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Squinty » Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:25 am

Buffalo wrote:Starmer’s a bit of a joke at this point, Captain Hindsight indeed, and now this.
I’m red as the day is long, but come 2024 there’s only going to be one winner.


I agree that he has been disappointing so far, but Captain Hindsight has to be the silliest insult I've ever heard.

'You should have told me I was about to strawberry float up!' I mean......what?

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by DML » Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:47 am

Buffalo wrote:Starmer’s a bit of a joke at this point, Captain Hindsight indeed, and now this.
I’m red as the day is long, but come 2024 there’s only going to be one winner.


I think once people see the effects of Brexit they will flock to Labour TBH.

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